Vaughany Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 I have just booked to go to Chris Wilsons for the fitting of my 1st Deact Pipe and a Restrictor Ring ( 2nd Cat already removed) I am thinking about having the ERL Aquamist Kit fitted the same time to complement my Chris Wilson SMIC that I already have on the SOOP. I am not entirely sure what the benefits of these kits are but I am led to believe that this with Uprated SMIC should bring my cooling efficiency close to being on par with a FMIC. Has anyone on here used these kits before and if so what are there opinions on them. The Kits are £320 + fitting, is this money well spent. I am not sure if I need it at the moment but I am planning for a Budget Single conversion from Vortex in the future and thought this would aid in my preperation for this. I would be grateful if someone could explain the use of the kits and state there opinion if they have one on how good or bad the kits are. I believe you can run the kits striaght from your screen wash using a mixture of methanol and water. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 The pumps seem to be junk , talk to Terry S and he will tell you , ive never seen one working thats been fitted for long , T has a kit of his own thats using a decent pump . Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Dont ask Matt 'Aquamist Killer' Harwood about these! three sets he's been through I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 I have 1S fitted to my supe, with a FMIC, few days ago, in the hot days we've been having, Peak boost was 1.43 bar (hybrids) and the EGT's peaked at 830 degs C. The EGT probe is mounted on No1 runner - as per chris wilson. I have found it makes a big difference in reducing EGT, it drops them by 50 - 70 degs. I personally think there a great piece of kit, but I do belive one or two people have had problems with the Pumps - I've had mine 7 months, no probs yet. Its a case of prevention is better than cure.... Mine is plumbed in to the washer bottle. http://www.internetwork.org.uk/wi.JPG I'm sure someone more knowledgable (i.e. chris wilson) will be more informative than me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughany Posted August 16, 2004 Author Share Posted August 16, 2004 What are we saying then, they are no good. Surely someone must have a good experience of these kits. Dude, who is T and what is the info on the kit he is using. If they are no good, maybe I will have to take the £320 and put it towards the 650cc injectors and the SAFC 2. What do we think? would this be a better buy? Just out of interest what is the cost of these items for supply and fit from Vortex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by Vaughany What are we saying then, they are no good. Surely someone must have a good experience of these kits. Dude, who is T and what is the info on the kit he is using. If they are no good, maybe I will have to take the £320 and put it towards the 650cc injectors and the SAFC 2. What do we think? would this be a better buy? Just out of interest what is the cost of these items for supply and fit from Vortex. Terry and Matt have both had bad experiences using the ERL Pump , mail Terry and ask him his opinion , i have a huge pump on mine that is designed to be used with Methanol , i just havent finished the install yet, i would go for the E.manage over the SAFC . Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by Vaughany What are we saying then, they are no good. Surely someone must have a good experience of these kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughany Posted August 16, 2004 Author Share Posted August 16, 2004 Sorry Heckler, I posted again before I saw your reply. You are obviously in favour of the Kits and I have spoke to Chris Wilson who recommends them aswell. I am hoping to get a few more opinions before I make my decision. I like the idea of lowering EGT especially as I will be running 1.2 bar soon. However the comments regarding dodgy pumps does give me cause for concern. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by heckler I have 1S fitted to my supe, with a FMIC, few days ago, in the hot days we've been having, Peak boost was 1.43 bar (hybrids) and the EGT's peaked at 830 degs C. The EGT probe is mounted on No1 runner - as per chris wilson. Nice EGT's on hybrids m8 - must be the expert fitting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 My CW fitted ERL pump is working a year on from installation - no problems. Cliff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by Paul E Nice EGT's on hybrids m8 - must be the expert fitting! what? on the aquamist system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I had my kit fitted by ChrisW around 4 years ago and it's very worthwhile IMO. The pressure sensor went last year but no problems with the pump at all In my experience stuff he recommends and fits doesn't go wrong. Not kissing a*se hoping for a discount on my next lot of work, just stating a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 CW fitted my water injection too. its plummed into washer system. wanting to get a small tank made and run 50/50 water/methanol for a bit of safety. peice of mind having a fmic and water injection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 The early pumps went through a phase of failures with the PCB inside suffering condensation problems. I haven't had a single pump failure in the last, oooh, 15 months or so, and have fitted dozens of kits. ERL are excellent in the case of pump failures anyway, and supply a new one with no quibble. I also mount them in a different location, although the condensation issue was addresses a long time ago... IMO they are very worthwhile. I have yet to find any other pump that delivers the necessary very high pressure with suitable flow, and with instant start up. ERL had the same problem finding *ANY* commercially available pump, hence they made their own. Bosch do a WRC pump, but the cost is telephone numbers and it's HUGE. I am not hard selling them, either, I make sod all out of them, but I *DO* feel WI is an almost obligatory mod on turbo cars. It adds a big safety margin, or allows the brave to up boost still further with similar charge air temps. Mark: Will send info doc on WI directly to you, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I do believe WI is a worthwhile bit of kit, but after a couple of pump failures, and ERL not being very helpful, I've pulled mine out. In fairness, the last time was over a year ago, so maybe they've become more helpful recently. My pump was mounted on the side of the inner wing, just in front of the charcoal cannister. It never appeared to get damp there. IIRC, Pete Betts noticed fair drop in power if the WI kits come in to early up the boost scale. We, (Vortex), do have a kit we're working on. Dude has the first one. It's been bench tested and works very well. Terry did a lot of research into pumps to make sure the one we're using is more reliable than the pumps Terry and I have had in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Aquamist has been fine for us. We've been selling the kits for over a year, never had a failure. The kit on Kevins car has been working fine for over 18 months now. Regards, Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughany Posted August 18, 2004 Author Share Posted August 18, 2004 Thanks everyone for the info. I have made my mind up and I have decided to get Mr Wilson to fit a kit for me when I have the Ist Cat removed. Thankyou for the constructive opinions. Chris did you recieve my email regarding the date I would like to come to yours? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Originally posted by Vaughany Thanks everyone for the info. I have made my mind up and I have decided to get Mr Wilson to fit a kit for me when I have the Ist Cat removed. Thankyou for the constructive opinions. Chris did you recieve my email regarding the date I would like to come to yours? Cheers No, but I had a whoopsie clearing out old mail the other day, I *SUSPECTED* I might have lost a couple of unread ones, but it was too late... Do you mind re sending please? Sorry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughany Posted August 18, 2004 Author Share Posted August 18, 2004 No worries Chris, I will send it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 I have said before that maybe ERL got their act together and hopefully they have. Their pumps are VERY expensive though. You also need to be VERY careful with nossel size IME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Right my pump is making some sh*t awfull noises and seems to be trying to run permanently i am taking it that this is sooo not normal. Answers on a postcard as to why its running permanently and if theres anything i can do to fix it?? If its not fixable how much is a pump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 You should have a vacuum switch from the manifold leading to a relay. The relay switches the pump on when the vacuum switch goes open circuit, (that's how mine was set-up). So, if one of the wires has come away from the switch, the pump will keep running. When my pumps died, they made an awful loud buzzing/vibrating noise, but no water was being pumped through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Info for anyone who is running Emanage, you can drive and map the Aquamist 2C kit with this, works very well! i have been using this set up on my S14, and was able to map for 305bhp, from 256bhp using just Aquamist and next size up injectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I fitted the ERL system 4 years ago, 3 pumps have quit but always replaced by ERL with no quibble. Last one fitted about a year ago and still going strong. I use a mix of 70% methanol to 30% filtered water which seems to work well. Set it for >1BAR for best results, I found that below this it is a little overkill and can cause missfire on colder plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I fitted the ERL system 4 years ago' date=' 3 pumps have quit but always replaced by ERL with no quibble. [/quote'] Wish I was that lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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