Wayney Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I thought most schools and colleges in the US had metal detectors, on entering. I guess this one didn't or it just was not switch-on, to deter these twats from running riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Gun culture! It's in the constitution that they can own guns, wot the fek do you expext when you have a law that says it's ok to own and handle guns. Like most things in the 'constitution' it's out dated and needs addressing now, just like we have had to address our outdated laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 This is like a college campus, with 25k students, with loads of buildings, so I would doubt they have the same sort of security measures you see in inner city schools. Kip, very difficult argument, have we addressed our problems? Look at the shootings & Knifings in London and Manchester recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyW Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Difference is you are an adult Don't ever call me that again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Gun culture! It's in the constitution that they can own guns, wot the fek do you expext when you have a law that says it's ok to own and handle guns. Like most things in the 'constitution' it's out dated and needs addressing now, just like we have had to address our outdated laws. This won't go away by banning guns- criminals will still use guns regardless, and when you are going to murder 20 people the offence of carrying an illegal fire-arm is insignificant. Had this chap lived he would be getting the lethal injection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Generally speaking, criminals use guns for crime.... they don't go into their workplace / school / college / home and kill everyone they see. I'm all for the controlled ownership of guns for sports etc, but having them so freely available for no good reason (other than fear), means that anyone with a mental imbalance can do things like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Sad news feel for all the parents and the siblings of the dead... Suprised they aint blamed this on 'muslim terrorists' yet thou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 In which case bring back capital punishment. Some sort of deterant. However as you say, if some idiot is going to get hold of a gun or knife there is no stopping them from doing as the deranged mind suggests. I am a firm believer in capital punishment, just what is life these days? 14yrs for killing an inosent person, just what is that for a life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Capital punishment is a good idea simply for justice IMO, but they still have it in the US (some states) and it doesn't seem to act as a deterrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Generally speaking, criminals use guns for crime.... they don't go into their workplace / school / college / home and kill everyone they see. I'm all for the controlled ownership of guns for sports etc, but having them so freely available for no good reason (other than fear), means that anyone with a mental imbalance can do things like this. Sure, but what stops Billy Bob helping himself to his fathers hunting rifle and taking it to school to kick some ass... Guns are just as prevailent in Switzerland (per capita) btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 33 dead now according to the BBC news site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jive Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 In which case bring back capital punishment. Some sort of deterant. What's the point in doing that over there, all the maniacs seem to take their own life anyway (shame about the rest of the people they've killed though) so job done. Just wish when you hear these kind of things that they say on the news that the person responsible has been caught and is alive and then subject them to a life of torture by the parents of the kids they've killed Another solution to the gun problem is to make all the guns free but every single bullet cost $5000 each, you'd soon see the death toll drop as people would only use a bullet if it was worth it at that price. (awaits the "yeah but what about those who make thier own" comments)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 the thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that the parents of the deranged phyco will say "oh its the video games he plays and moves he watchs they made him do it!" Yeah, I'm wondering what they'll pin it on this time. £20 says global warming is to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Some very good arguments to this, my opinion is, that is anyone does it, then blast the f(u| I know I don't want the world like 1984 (Which I've never seen, but heard and read plenty about), or a world like in the game Syndicate (Which is a mint game!!), but if the law want to sort out stuff like this, then just funking deal with it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lover Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 the one place that you do expect your kids to be safe is school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Some very good arguments to this, my opinion is, that is anyone does it, then blast the f(u| I'm sure thats what the NRA lobby would say, "if all the students had guns, they'd have taken him down" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I'm sure thats what the NRA lobby would say, "if all the students had guns, they'd have taken him down" Not at all, in my post, you see I mention the fact the authorities should have taken him down, but they wouldn't have been there in time... IMO People shouldn't be able to buy weapons, although I love handling and firing them, shot quite a few in my time, but with our laws, we can't own or have them, gives the law an upper hand, which as long as we have a control on a democratically governed government is a good thing in my opinion... Now if our law forces get hold of lasers which vaporise people on sight, that could help things... Until then, the forces need to get bigger nuts, and work on the idiots going out loaded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 It's a difficult one. To ban guns in the US, like we have in the UK, would be like banning cigarettes or alchohol. Or drugs. In other words, impossible, it would just drive it underground. The only way forward is education. If people realised the MISERY caused by death, to the friends and family of the victim's loved ones, then people might think twice. Hollywood rarely shows the grief and sorrow caused by gun deaths. It's like 'bang bang your dead' and then onto the next scene. The same with news reporting. And as for video games, don't even go there. Until people with guns begin to realise and understand the devastating consequences of their actions upon firing them - not just what happens to THEM ie the time they spend in jail or the death penalty - then there is little hope for any sense or restraint to prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 would be like banning cigarettes or alchohol. Someone get me an SA80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'm sure thats what the NRA lobby would say, "if all the students had guns, they'd have taken him down" They did last night. Interestingly Texas has the lowest burglary rate, yet the highest arms per capita of any state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 It's all really sad. Apparently according to reports today it was a jilted lover (he killed his girlfriend and new boyfriend) and then waited over 2 hours and killed more people. I still can't believe that the only notification that the campus got there was anything going on was an email telling people to stay indoors wtf, how about a tannoy or something?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Kip, very difficult argument, have we addressed our problems? Look at the shootings & Knifings in London and Manchester recently The figures for random knife and gun crimes in London are scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 The only way forward is education. If people realised the MISERY caused by death, to the friends and family of the victim's loved ones, then people might think twice. Trouble is there are lots and lots of 'human beings' who have no empathy skills whatsoever, and that has been going on long enough that kids in schools would just gloss over any 'education' they could be given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Trouble is there are lots and lots of 'human beings' who have no empathy skills whatsoever, and that has been going on long enough that kids in schools would just gloss over any 'education' they could be given. I don't know what you mean, are you talking about general society or parents...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Just assuming if we put something into school curriculum (not sure what age TBH) that showed the after effects of death and fighting and guns and stuff, I bet most kids (especially the teens) would just laugh about it with their 'mates' in school and not pay much attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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