Kranz Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I'm adding an Emanage Ultimate to the list of BPU++ parts that I'm collecting (for a rainy day???) and would like to utilise the self tuning facility of the EmU to get things moving on the map population front. After a bit of research into widebands I've come across the LM-1 which seems a great bit of kit for the price. I don't need a guage yet, so will just go for the basic LM-1, display the output on the laptop running the EmU, and add a guage later (they are cheap!!). Problem is I don't have a wideband boss on my decat, so I was thinking.... the LM-1 has 2 analog outputs that are user configurable. One I will feed to the EmU, and the other I can use as a 0-1v output to replace the stock narrowband oxy sensor output, and wire this into the stock wiring. This means that I can then stick the bosch wideband in the std oxy sensor's hole. "It doesn't fit" I hear you shout? Well, as my stock O2 sensor was looking a bit flakey, I got myself a Chris Wilson replacement... which comes with a universal screw in O2 sensor and adaptor to fit the Toyota fitting. So, hopefully the wideband can just screw into this adaptor and go into te stock sensor location. Anyone think this will work?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Yes, it should work, the only problem may be that the standard location for the O2 sensor is very near the exhaust header, and the wideband sensor has a max temperature rating. You'd probably be ok though. Oh, and you don't want the LM-1, you want the LC-1 which is the same but doesn't have the display/datalogger bit and is cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 Yes, it should work, the only problem may be that the standard location for the O2 sensor is very near the exhaust header, and the wideband sensor has a max temperature rating. You'd probably be ok though. Oh, and you don't want the LM-1, you want the LC-1 which is the same but doesn't have the display/datalogger bit and is cheaper. Just realised... I actually meant LC-1!!! Doh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I've got one, they're really nice bits of kit. I had it connected up to my E-01 to display the reading, but then I got rid of that and bought one of the gauges. I never used it to emulate the narrowband sensor, but both outputs are fully programmable so it ought to be fine. You might have to do something with the heater wires for the stock sensor, the ECU might flag an error code if they're not connected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 Thanks for the info. If it throws a fault I'll just leave the stock (half knackered) sensor plugged into the heater wires to keep it happy, and just tuck it out of the way somewhere.... maybe as a de-icer for the screenwash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 There is a fault code for the narrowband heater circuit being open or shorted so yes you'd throw a fault code. You also need to verify that the 0-1v output it throws out matches the 0-1v output the stock sensor throws out, for a given air fuel ratio. Otherwise it'll be meaningless and throw the ECU completely off. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I have an Innovate LM-1 and Emanage ultimate, and use the self tune occasionally, it works reasonably well, i set the output to 0-5V = 10 - 20AFR seems to give the best results, as in closest to the lodged wideband output, but i'm not sure if the LC-1 has configurable output? i would advise getting the LM-1 as you can manipulate the software to generate a pretty close map to the EMU 16 x 16 map if you set it up right, which will then more ore less give you the amount that you need to correct the AFRs;) Oh and i think you may find the std position to hot for the wideband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 I have an Innovate LM-1 and Emanage ultimate, and use the self tune occasionally, it works reasonably well, i set the output to 0-5V = 10 - 20AFR seems to give the best results, as in closest to the lodged wideband output, but i'm not sure if the LC-1 has configurable output? i would advise getting the LM-1 as you can manipulate the software to generate a pretty close map to the EMU 16 x 16 map if you set it up right, which will then more ore less give you the amount that you need to correct the AFRs;) Thanks for the info mate. I'll look into it Edit - LC-1 has got the same configurable output. ANd I think it can do the same as the LM-1 with the exception of the readout and the datalogging. Oh and i think you may find the std position to hot for the wideband. How hot is too hot??? I'll stick an EGT thermocouple (already have this) post turbine to keep an eye on it, and figure out where to go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Some people have the wideband straight after the turbo and it works, it just shortens the sensor life by x months. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I had a wideband in my S14 and had to move it back ie 3ft from turbo to stop errors, i have my sensor about the same distance on the Supra and its OK , i also have a thermocouple about 1ft down from the std lambda and get readings of 700deg on full boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 Some people have the wideband straight after the turbo and it works, it just shortens the sensor life by x months. -Ian I may just install the wideband for tuning, and once tuned refit the narrowband? We'll see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 A handy must have for anyone overheating their wideband (>700 deg C): http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16148&cat=250&page=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Innovate wideband rocks, I much prefer it to the AEM ones anyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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