mattanna Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 You will have to ask dvla, give them a ring as i am not sure, the vehicle is over 10 years old and there is no definitive co2 level for it and these tax bands are based on co2, so my previous post may be wrong regarding reg date, just looked on dvla site i would give them a call you may be ok as again i do not see how they can have a co2 figure for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 So why is it not only over say 2.5 litre engines? Most every day cars are more than a 1.4. The 1.5L boundary is only for cars pre-2001. It's the same as it is at the moment. My point is that they're not really changing the way pre-2001 cars are being taxed, probably for the following reasons: - Owners of older cars are unlikely to just ditch them and buy newer ones if the tax goes up. Suddenly surprising an existing car owner with a massive tax hike is too dangerous - they'll just pay up the extra tax and vote for a different government next time! - You can't really measure emmissions accurately for pre-2001 cars (linking into the MOT system is probably too technically difficult, I expect) - A large number of pre-2001 car owners will be less financially well off than owners of newer cars, so will be less willing to accept tax hikes They've basically minimised the group of people who will have to immediately pay a big extra tax hike to new owners (post March-2006) of big cars. This group of owners are the most likely to be financially affluent and therefore the least politically swayed by what is (for them) a comparatively small extra cost (assuming they've just shelled out £50k for a new BMW X5 or something). What these people won't realise is how much of a hit they are taking in the re-sale value of their cars! Most of them won't realise until a few years' time when they're trying to sell them on, at which point Brown will have already been voted in!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 To me, this shows that the budget is targetted squarely at the Chelsea tractor-types. How do you figure that? An Audi A4 isn't a Chelsea tractor, neither is a Vectra or an S2000. If this was retrospective our Supras would be in the top band. Remember the most popular SUV is a 2.0D Freelander, second most popular is a Vitara- supercharged Range Rovers and 4.4X5's are virtually insignificant in number compared to the amount of cars in bandG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 But it won't do that...it will only strengthen the status symbol effect, making them even more of a "keeping up with the Joneses" type vehicle. Inevitably it will only affect those people on the fringe of being able to afford such vehicles. Anyone who actually _can_ afford it properly will continue to drive them, perhaps even more than before "to make it worth it". You may be right, of course, but I don't think that's true. These type of cars are already considered status symbols by the rich and uncaring. That will NEVER change. I believe the "fringe" purchasers you describe (who are the ones who need to be converted) are more likely to be swayed by this sort of "in your face" taxation for running costs rather than an "invisible" taxation such as petrol tax. Whilst these people would happily pay extra up-front money for the more expensive models of their cars, and would probably swallow the additional petrol tax cost without really noticing, the big, lump-sum running cost is a bigger barrier, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattanna Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I have just phoned DVLA, they tell me that if you imported a car now i.e 3 ltr Supra it would be taxed on engine size i.e £175 currently as it is still 10+ years old and no stated co2 figure for it, good news:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Well if it is the case that is when the car is reg'ed there must be exemptions to this as if you have me with a 1995 Supra RZ TT Reg'ed after 2001 pays £300 1995 Supra RZ TT Reg'ed Before pays £185 That seems way wrong to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I have just phoned DVLA, they tell me that if you imported a car now i.e 3 ltr Supra it would be taxed on engine size i.e £175 currently as it is still 10+ years old and no stated co2 figure for it, good news:) Just saw your post after I posted mine. Really hope that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattanna Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 It's not when it is registered you will be taxed as above 1.5 l, which at the moment is £175 or £185, £300 is for cars emitting more than 225gm/cm co2 which there is no info for on the supra.If you import a brand new car then it may be different, so you will not be paying £300 tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattanna Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Ok so you can ignore last post then:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 It'll effect the residuals of these cars once they get to 3-5 years old. If a March 2006 Porsche Boxster 3.2S is worth say £23,000 in four years time, would anyone really want an April 2006 Porsche BoxsterS that is going to cost an extra £200 to tax every year? £200 not a lot? Over three years that's pay for an extra service, or a set of tyres or new discs & pads for the March car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 How do you figure that? An Audi A4 isn't a Chelsea tractor, neither is a Vectra or an S2000. If this was retrospective our Supras would be in the top band. Remember the most popular SUV is a 2.0D Freelander, second most popular is a Vitara- supercharged Range Rovers and 4.4X5's are virtually insignificant in number compared to the amount of cars in bandG. I use "Chelsea tractor" as a term for someone who buys a large-engined (G-Band) car for day-to-day use, not literally for inner-city 4x4 drivers. The Vectra (plus big-engined beemers and Mercs) and the big-engined A4s fall into this category too. I do feel sorry for the S2000 owners (and the Boxsters you mention, too, actually!), though - they fall into the unfortunate next-generation enthusiast bracket I mentioned before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I do feel sorry for the S2000 owners, though - they fall into the unfortunate next-generation enthusiast bracket I mentioned before. Any ethusiasts car will be in bandG. Interesting cars tend to punt out more than 225g's- the Elise S is in bandF, but only by the skin of it's teeth, the 111R & Exige or BandG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMiFFAD Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I have just phoned DVLA, they tell me that if you imported a car now i.e 3 ltr Supra it would be taxed on engine size i.e £175 currently as it is still 10+ years old and no stated co2 figure for it, good news:) *big sigh of relief* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Any ethusiasts car will be in bandG. Interesting cars tend to punt out more than 225g's- the Elise S is in bandF, but only by the skin of it's teeth, the 111R & Exige or BandG. Only new enthusiast cars. That's my point. Enthusiast cars like ours (and other pre-2006) will only suffer a small tax increase with these numbers. The big increases are for the post-2006 cars. Future 2nd-hand buyers (ie. the "next gen" enthusiasts) of these cars (in, say 5yrs time or something) will know about the additional costs before buying them. It's unfortunate for these people, but that reflects the increasing cost of being an enthusiast, I'm afraid. Some current owners of these cars (2006-2007 sports cars) will be rich b*ggers who have bought them as status symbols (especially the Boxsters!), and the extra tax won't affect them - they probably won't even worry too much about the increased depreciation this tax will cause for their cars, to be honest. The only problem is the enthusiasts who saved up for ages to spend all their savings on, say, a nice, new Exige only to get lumped with the extra tax with next-to-zero warning. These are unfortunate victims of the new tax, but I suspect is quite a small group of owners in the big scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust2luv Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Attached is a list of band G cars nicked from a post on Pistonheads. Not many fun cars that aren't listed there, and certainly not all luxury cars or 4x4s. (in descending order of number of carbon dioxides produced) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust2luv Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Smallest engine size on there is 1.8. I note LT Taxis are band G, and they get to use bus lanes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Apparently there are two cars that fall into band A zero tax allowance: The Honda Insight petrol-electric hybrid, which Honda UK says has been discontinued in the UK for two years now, and the Smart diesel. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4834480.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 A side of this that made me smile watching the news this morning was that apparently cows and there flatulence is more harming to the environment than all the vehicle emmisions BUT Mr Brown hasnt mentioned anything about sorting this issue out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Beef tax!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb9780 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Apparently there are two cars that fall into band A zero tax allowance: The Honda Insight petrol-electric hybrid, which Honda UK says has been discontinued in the UK for two years now, and the Smart diesel. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4834480.stm Yeah and my mate's over 25 year old 8.1L Hemi Engined Dodge Charger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Ah, but that's a different bracket. Same as my brother's 2.5L V8 Daimler Dart. Over 25 years old - no tax payment. He still has to have a tax disk though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 If it was taxed on emissions, my Supra should be band A as on the DVLA website, it shows 0g/kg against my car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the cat Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 ok i'm confused, dont take much! my supra is an L reg therefore under the new budget it would still be taxed by engine size ie £185 a year right? take it that will also apply to my 1975 landy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Yep it will go up in increments of £5 to £190 by 2009/10. I was so glad. Only own a supe and 4.0 V8 discovery 2 plus a work van but thats not my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Looks like my Chrysler bus will jump from £190 this last year to £300 and then £400 as it's in band G at 302 g/Km with it's 3.3 V6 4sp auto box. It's just 6 months inside the time period (Sep 01) otherwise it would be the same as the soop. Arse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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