flukey-lukey Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I've just been reading this thread ( http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=102818 ) and it got me thinking. IF someone broke into your house and stole your keys and were lucky enough to find your logbook/car paperwork could they fill it all out in thier name, send it to the dvla and claim they just bought it from you when you report it stolen? I don't think the real owner would have a leg to stand on would they? opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Well, for one thing the seller is supposed to sign the paperwork saying they've sold the car. In addition, I guess the fact that you would wake up, find your house had been broken into and your car had been stolen would result in you calling the police - so the DVLA receiving a registration document a few days later is unlikely to be convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I've just been reading this thread ( http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=102818 ) and it got me thinking. IF someone broke into your house and stole your keys and were lucky enough to find your logbook/car paperwork could they fill it all out in thier name, send it to the dvla and claim they just bought it from you when you report it stolen? I don't think the real owner would have a leg to stand on would they? opinions? of course they would. having a V5 in your name doesn't guarantee ownership of that vehicle it even says that ON your V5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flukey-lukey Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Well, for one thing the seller is supposed to sign the paperwork saying they've sold the car. In addition, I guess the fact that you would wake up, find your house had been broken into and your car had been stolen would result in you calling the police - so the DVLA receiving a registration document a few days later is unlikely to be convincing. But what if they would know your name and could forge the signature. Obviously you would say they stole the car etc, but they could say they bought it from you the day you reported it stolen. Your word against theirs? am I being silly? It just seems too simple lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 The logbook states its just the recorded "keeper" of the vehicle. At no point does it mention owner. Theres probably dozens of ways you can prove your the true owner - bills/receipts, witnesses, club memberships, subcriptions to vehicle recovery etc etc. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flukey-lukey Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 The logbook states its just the recorded "keeper" of the vehicle. At no point does it mention owner. Theres probably dozens of ways you can prove your the true owner - bills/receipts, witnesses, club memberships, subcriptions to vehicle recovery etc etc. Gaz. yeh true, it was just my 'thought for the day' back to sleep now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I've just been reading this thread ( http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=102818 ) IF someone broke into your house and stole your keys and were lucky enough to find your logbook/car paperwork could they fill it all out in thier name, send it to the dvla and claim they just bought it from you when you report it stolen? I wish all burglars would do this...... It would make tracing them so much easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I'd like to see them get passed my dobermanns first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 am I the only one that would NOT want people hunting through my house looking for keys and would rather they found them and left? If they want the car enough to break in to the house then they wont hesitate to use whatever force it takes to find those keys. I would rather they didnt pay me or my family a visit upstairs and just find the keys and get out. I have read with horror on the scoob forums about people's kids having a knife held to their throat to get the keys to a scoob. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Most break ins that involve the theft of the keys for the vehicle are usually in my area via the letter box. Chummy spies nice motor on the drive or o/s the house, looks through the letter box and there in all their shining glory are the keys ready to hook out from the hall table or the hook by the door. Gets a nice long stick and he's away with your pride an joy. Yes people do break in, and do offer up violence to secure the keys, but this is an exception, not the rule. However it is becoming a more common offence and one of the reasons is, that by entering a premises as a trespasser in order to take a conveyance isn't technically a burglary, so the penalties for chummy when caught are less than those for a burglary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 However it is becoming a more common offence and one of the reasons is, that by entering a premises as a trespasser in order to take a conveyance isn't technically a burglary, so the penalties for chummy when caught are less than those for a burglary. But enters intending to steal the keys, then steals them?? Offence of burglary is complete..... Or is that considered a preparatory act to TWOC?? Still go for burglary IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Keys count, car doesn't. Legislation, made by legislators for politicians, who are legislators. You're quite right Steve, if they steal the keys it's complete. But if they hotwire the car, it's not. And yeah a burglary will always be the preferred charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRALOOPY Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I'd like to see them get passed my dobermanns first My shephard would munch on a theives arse until i got there and killed them;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 My shephard would munch on a theives arse until i got there and killed them;) So would my 'puppy' 35Kg of land shark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 However it is becoming a more common offence and one of the reasons is, that by entering a premises as a trespasser in order to take a conveyance isn't technically a burglary, so the penalties for chummy when caught are less than those for a burglary. If they would have no weapon, after breaking bastards arms I would accidentially "find" some knife with which again accidentially little crap cutted my arm. Have few of them single ones, so nothing would be missing from full sets I will not point it out too much, but PC, who happens to be petrol head too, adviced me to prepare some big, fat stick in case they come back and explain them in simple words meaning of word "My home is my castle" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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