dangerous brain Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Right now what are you going to water it down with? Until a bit more is known about what fuel is contaminated and where you are best off not using your car if thats possible and certainly putting no more fuel in it as you may just be adding more of the same. The good old British public predictably have gone into panic mode Just a bit of common sense is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Right now what are you going to water it down with? Until a bit more is known about what fuel is contaminated and where you are best off not using your car if thats possible and certainly putting no more fuel in it as you may just be adding more of the same. The good old British public predictably have gone into panic mode Just a bit of common sense is needed. Not exactly panic mode mate but I'm 130 miles from home and need to go home tonight and the Supras parked outside so I do not have the option of not driving it. So should I put some optimax in or just use as is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprasteve Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 apparently according to the radio its a batch of fuel come from a Thurrock Depot delivered to Tesco and Morrisons in the London/Essex area. there was no confirmation of whether it was super or normal unleaded that was affected. I filled up on tuesday with tesco99 at Rainham, done 80 miles so far and touch wood everything is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 What do you expect from Esso ? IMO, I would never put Esso into my car unless I had no choice at all. I would keep the boost down to 0.8bar until I got some proper SUL into her (Optimax, Tesco 99, BP ultimate). I am assuming that you do not mean it is the Tesco 99 that is fouling the lambdas ? If you don't mind me asking, where do you normally get your fuel from? As we live in Eastbourne I assumed that Tesco in Lottbridge Drove was the only station that sold anything like 99ron. Sean1933 also lives around here too, and we're off to the Boxhill meet on saturday. I need fuel before I go, as you do too I'd thought! I might have to cycle in to work tomorrow, just to save some petrol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Not exactly panic mode mate but I'm 130 miles from home and need to go home tonight and the Supras parked outside so I do not have the option of not driving it. So should I put some optimax in or just use as is? I didn't mean you chap I meant the British public in general. Looking at the news on telly you'd swear every car in britain has critical engine failure because of this. You won't get 130 miles on a part tank of fuel so you'll have to fill up somewhere. Early indications are that its only supermarket fuel affected. Also to be fair I can't see so many people in normal cars using 99 ron as it seems to be affecting so chances are its probably only 95 ron thats affected. Optimax should be OK. Like I said if people don't have to use their cars then don't take the risk, if however you are 130 miles away from home you've not got a lot of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 If you don't mind me asking, where do you normally get your fuel from? As we live in Eastbourne I assumed that Tesco in Lottbridge Drove was the only station that sold anything like 99ron. Sean1933 also lives around here too, and we're off to the Boxhill meet on saturday. I need fuel before I go, as you do too I'd thought! I might have to cycle in to work tomorrow, just to save some petrol! I filled up at Tesco Lottbridge drove in Eastbourne on Tuesday morning and thats whats worrying me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Maybe Dangerous is correct in his assumption on 95ron. I don't see that many people will be filling their cars up with 99, more likely to be getting the cheapest fuel they can, which is understandable as its so expensive nowadays. I'll probably fill up again tomorrow evening with Tesco 99 and have no problems over the weekend. I don't let my tank get much less than half empty before I fill up anyway, which is about a week's worth. Famous last words! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 If you don't mind me asking, where do you normally get your fuel from? As we live in Eastbourne I assumed that Tesco in Lottbridge Drove was the only station that sold anything like 99ron. Sean1933 also lives around here too, and we're off to the Boxhill meet on saturday. I need fuel before I go, as you do too I'd thought! I might have to cycle in to work tomorrow, just to save some petrol! I filled up at Tesco Lottbridge drove in Eastbourne on Tuesday morning and thats whats worrying me too I have been using Tesco 99 from the Lottbridge drove station for a few months now. I have not experienced any of the problems mentioned in the news reports. I do not use it exclusively though, when I am out and about I like to put in a tank of Optimax or BP Ultimate depending on which is available. I am along with DB in the thinking of it being a problem with the 95ron not the 99ron from Tescos. Most of the cars that are being mentioned as having problems are not high performance models that require high octane fuel so I would assume that they were filling up with the 95ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 The only thing I can think of is someone's tipped too much TEL in the batch and the lead is killing O2 sensors. If it HAS got a load of TEL in it then it's probably about 102 octane, and I want some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Which makes it perfect for our cars? What is TEL by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 TEL is Tetra Ethyl Lead, an octane booster come valve seat recession limiter additive. The lead oxide formed in combusting TEL "kills" O2 sensors, so that is one reason cat equipped cars need UN leaded fuel, but, AFAIK, even UN leaded fuel has a bit of TEL in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Has anyone from here actually broken down because of this yet in their supra? If so where did you get the petrol? I still have the £30 in mine from last saturday in Lewes, I drove for about 20-30mins home (no problems) and havn't used the car since, Now I don't know if it is wise to go out in it? is there any way to tell? should I leave it running for a while on the driveway to be sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I would not worry about it mate. Of all the reports I have read there has been no mention of any problems in our area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I think the AA have reported that a sample tested with too much silicon in it. I'll just use Optimax for a while instead of 99 just to be on the safe side. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6410511.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Is this likely to be more of a problem for newer (ODBII) cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Is this likely to be more of a problem for newer (ODBII) cars? I doubt it...really until the results are published as to what's causing the failure we won't know. But an O2 sensor is an O2 sensor whether it's on an OBDI or OBDII vehicle.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I would not worry about it mate. Of all the reports I have read there has been no mention of any problems in our area. No doubt you're right just when you look on this map http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6407447.stm one spot looks suspiciously like Lewes (Lewes Tescos no doubt) and the other like Eastbourne... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean1933 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I put 20quid of Tesco 99 in on sunday/monday. All running fine and done about 100 miles since....so nearly need a refill. Im just going to go to Eastbourne Tesco and fillup with 99 as i have heard advice from numerous people saying to stay clear of 95ron and use higher octane fuels, which obviously we have to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I doubt it...really until the results are published as to what's causing the failure we won't know. But an O2 sensor is an O2 sensor whether it's on an OBDI or OBDII vehicle.... Hey guy's just thought i'd give an update from the Oxygen Sensor fiasco were experiencing at Porsche London, we've had a high number of cars coming in with faulty Oxygen Sensors. As mentioned by Alex an O2 Sensor is an O2 Sensor, but not completely the case i'm afraid. Many of our later model Porsches now use Wide Band Oxygen Sensors for Engine management O2 values before and after cat (OBDII), as opposed to older style narrow band Oxygen Sensors which would explain why older cars which have Oxgen sensors for their closed loop adaption are not having any problems. So this is my opinion only so nobody jump down my throat but i think the Silicon poisoning of the O2 sensors is only occuring to Wide Band Style sensors so if unless you have a WB02 guage in your car Supe owners shouldn't have anything to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I just saw a "breaking news" thing as I got in the office, scrolling message to say that all petrol tested "meets British Standards". I guess our standards allow for broken cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Rendar Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Have you all seen today's (Saturday) BBC News update? It seems Tescos have found silicon contamination in the fuel and a number of filling stations have closed their doors, awaiting new supplies. I have been filling up exclusively with Tescos 99 RON for the last year or so, having read all the favourable reviews about it. My Supra is unaffacted, but my Scoobie started misfiring about 10 days ago. The engine management light came on, but went out again pretty quick. (My wife was driving and told me it was the oil light, but having reviewed the dash, it turns it she was actually se/eing the engine management light.) Now, the Scoobie doesn't seem to *obviously* misfiring, but it certainly isn't going like it used it, and it just seems a bit 'flat' with no real power. This seems like too much of a coincidence. I get my fuel from Tescos at Warfield, near Bracknell. Does anyone know which stations are supposed to be affected? Also, does anyone know if the Imprezas have these wide band sensors? If so, I guess that might explain why the Scoobie may be affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Does anyone know which stations are supposed to be affected? Also, does anyone know if the Imprezas have these wide band sensors? If so, I guess that might explain why the Scoobie may be affected. This map might help pinpoint areas with affected customers http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6407447.stm It may affect wide bands more, but not that many cars use widebands as standard oem afaik and the reports on the radio seemed to suggest regular cars were affected too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 The simplest thing might be to go to the petrol station you use. If they have taken all the unleaded pumps out of use, then it's a fair bet it was one a contaminated supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 very true, if you can get there lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra650 Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 As Gamer said Tesco lottbridge seems ok as like the others i put £40 of 99ron in and have been driving it very hard with no problems, only lasted two days though then it needed filling up and i hadnt done many miles either:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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