Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Just finished reading the last few pages of the 500 thread - didn't want to cause any hassel/ bitterness - we genuinely think that we are running standard turbos, etc.. but would appreciate your input from the pics below: Engine Pics: Thanks for your help - I will keep my dummy firmly in my mouth Rolling Road Day - September 06 Rolling Road after Apexi Neo fitted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Wow. Big numbers there. Is that at the wheels? That nearly as much as my car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 No, at the fly. Approx 400 at the wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Unfortunately, although the pics are pretty, they are next to useless! We cant see anything from them, we need to see the tops of the injectors (around the first pic, but deeper under the inlet manifold) And the turbos themselves - a picture of the heat shield is no good im afraid! The simple fact is that you may believe you have stock turbos, but if you do, theywont last long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 that second graph looks just wrong, what a huge drop off at no.1 to 2, and your produceing nearly 400 on the first turbo?! without a huge increase on 2? heres mine, 410 on Hybrids: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glosphil Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 nice Im dont really know, but the pipework looks somehow different to my stock TT. But whatever its running its nice Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Unfortunately, although the pics are pretty, they are next to useless! We cant see anything from them, we need to see the tops of the injectors (around the first pic, but deeper under the inlet manifold) And the turbos themselves - a picture of the heat shield is no good im afraid! The simple fact is that you may believe you have stock turbos, but if you do, theywont last long Don't want to risk stripping the engine apart, or is there a simple way of telling the colour of the injectors? without to much dismantling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 lol, nice engine bay by the way! umm, nice heat sheild too over the turbos!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel lane Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 thats a big dip in the graph !!! first graph seems ok , but second ...sorry no way .When it changes from 1st to 2nd turbo , according to that graph , you loose tons of power .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Don't want to risk stripping the engine apart, or is there a simple way of telling the colour of the injectors? without to much dismantling. Sure, you ought to be able to see the injector tops if you point the camera down the 'gap' between the manifold and engine.... And as for the turbos, only maybe one or 2 pipes need to be removed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 nice Im dont really know, but the pipework looks somehow different to my stock TT. But whatever its running its nice Well done its just "bling" all the pipes are in the same places etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 According to the graph it was dyno'd in 3rd gear;) EDIT just realised it auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Second graph doesnt look right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 that second graph looks just wrong, what a huge drop off at no.1 to 2, and your produceing nearly 400 on the first turbo?! without a huge increase on 2? heres mine, 410 on Hybrids: I think, but am not sure, our graph (2nd) is showing the auto box changing from 2nd to 3rd. Where as the first graph and yours appear to be taken in 3rd only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I think, but am not sure, our graph (2nd) is showing the auto box changing from 2nd to 3rd. Where as the first graph and yours appear to be taken in 3rd only? no you wont dyno over two gears, third is the right gear for an auto, plus if that was true then you would still see another dip from when the second turbo kicks in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 well looking a bit further i would say the second graph is just not right. Now if you had hyrbids the first graphs BHP might be attainable (just). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 The pic unfortunatley don't show the injectors or the fpr (if you can, try and get one pointing down from above in between the intkae manifold and the engine block). The rest looks fairly standard (HKS BOV, what looks like a BC solenoid, and some serious earthing kit!) The first graph looks exactly what you should see on a car running 1.1 bar, though the ibft figures are too high. Its looks like they have given you a calculated flywheel figure rather than a wheel figure (which is what the RR actually meaures). Its best to always work with wheel figures as there is no correction (read guess) factor involved. This is especially true for auto's. That 2nd graph isn't right at all. If you compare the "Sept" plot on that to the one in the eariler pic its doesn't match up at all. It looks as though a uniform drag factor has been used across the range rather than ramping up. It does show that they've leaned off the afr to get you the extra power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 no you wont dyno over two gears, third is the right gear for an auto, plus if that was true then you would still see another dip from when the second turbo kicks in Matt, I've been dyno'd at Western before and they do dyno over two gears with an auto. This not right I take it? I did wonder at the time why they didn't do it in just one gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Oh and they said they calculated the fly figure by chassis number or something? I can't remember what they said at the time, I was seriously hungover. They never gave me a wheel figure, just fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Taking pics of the injectors is really straight forward, you need to lean a bit into the engine bay to get a clear shot. PICS OF FPR AND INJECTORS HERE ANOTHER GUIDE HERE the 1st plot resembles a supra TT system (be it standard or hybrid)- that looks liks a sequential plot and it has nice curves ; albeit, I dont believe the numbers. No idea why the 2nd one looks so different, its like the turbos have decided to go all mental you need wheel HP / Torque numbers.........flywheel ones are useless. Dyno'ing in 2 gears - I have NEVER heard of that before...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 God these engines are hard to photo. Hopefully this is the correct image but not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Bingo! Stock 440's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Looks like I will be giving weston a miss then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Bingo! Stock 440's I'ma complete noob when it comes to mechanics, just so I know for future reference which bit is the injectors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I'ma complete noob when it comes to mechanics, just so I know for future reference which bit is the injectors? The top of the injector can be seen here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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