500 bhp ,how much £

[michel lane]

You need to give the car to a tuning company first to review the engine and current mods.Then perform various test to make sure the engine is up to it. When i put up the offer for the package that i was providing , i had to take onboard all the candidates cars, determining which one is viable , there were alot out there that was no up to scratch which i had to reject.

 

Cost issues ,you can get a good 550hp out of £5000, with support electronics and tune . This would be my brakedown on the next project after wkdtime car is finished:

 

based on a auto:

 

sp58/sp61 turbo

SS manifold /Cast manifold

HKS wastegate -(not ebay copies)

FMIC - 3 inch width is more then enough

650 Injectors

Dual walbro pumps

using exsisting fuel rail modifying for dual feed setup

Aeromotive fpr

Map ecu

AEN

ETG guage

AEM Wideband

Gearbox cooler

Power steering cooler

 

£3500 was wkdtime bill (iam not charging labour on this, anything to get ot off house painting), but he had alot of the electronics and FMIC already. So if anyone is intrested let me know, install time is 4 weeks , £5000 this includes mapping aswell.

[grahamc]

Ok, well here is what I am going for:

 

Hybrid turbos

FMIC

264/264 cams and gears

HKS 680cc fuel system (including FPR, rails, braided hoses, walbro fuel pump)

Clutch and flywheel

Induction kit

Decat exhaust

LINK ECU (the reason for this, is that it is standalone, more options than the Apexi, and very well known in the Impreza world, so figured it was worth a shot.) EDIT - quite a bit cheaper than the AEM and doesnt need loads of the extras.

 

I am hoping to hit the magic 500 mark, but close will be good enough!

 

Car is going in on 26th Feb for all this and an engine build (standard internals)...

 

Will let you know how it goes.

 

[Homer]

Interesting you say that about the stock wheels....info i have been told. Seeing as alloys and tires are so cheap, lol i may find out if its bollocks or not. Care to expand though?

 

Wheel and tyre width has little to do with road traction, the effects of moving from the stock 255 width to say 275 gives a negligibly larger footprint.

On the other hand, correct choice of wheel width, offset and tyre size, along with correct suspension choice (spring and damper), alignment and also LSD condition will have a dramatic effect on grip.

 

I moved from a 10in rear wheel with 275 tyre to a stock 9.5inch wheel with 255 width tyre and found the grip better, especially when bound.

[Glosphil]

Ok, well here is what I am going for:

 

Hybrid turbos

FMIC

264/264 cams and gears

HKS 680cc fuel system (including FPR, rails, braided hoses, walbro fuel pump)

Clutch and flywheel

Induction kit

Decat exhaust

LINK ECU (the reason for this, is that it is standalone, more options than the Apexi, and very well known in the Impreza world, so figured it was worth a shot.) EDIT - quite a bit cheaper than the AEM and doesnt need loads of the extras.

 

I am hoping to hit the magic 500 mark, but close will be good enough!

 

Car is going in on 26th Feb for all this and an engine build (standard internals)...

 

Will let you know how it goes.

 

 

How much you paying for that little lot ? all in ? excluding the engine build my engine has low miles so should be ok.

[Homer]

I am hoping to hit the magic 500 mark, but close will be good enough!

 

Very much doubt it, unless you have a sympathetic RR operator

 

Peak power means nothing though, its the "area under the line" that is important and makes the car a fast road car. That’s the hugely limiting factor with Hybrids, they may give you good peak power but across the mid range they're not doing anything. See this graph for example, its clear to see that the single conversion (though it doesn’t have a great deal more peak power) provides MUCH more useful power across the range. At 4krpm it has more than twice the torque available!

[Glosphil]

You need to give the car to a tuning company first to review the engine and current mods.Then perform various test to make sure the engine is up to it. When i put up the offer for the package that i was providing , i had to take onboard all the candidates cars, determining which one is viable , there were alot out there that was no up to scratch which i had to reject.

 

Cost issues ,you can get a good 550hp out of £5000, with support electronics and tune . This would be my brakedown on the next project after wkdtime car is finished:

 

based on a auto:

 

sp58/sp61 turbo

SS manifold /Cast manifold

HKS wastegate -(not ebay copies)

FMIC - 3 inch width is more then enough

650 Injectors

Dual walbro pumps

using exsisting fuel rail modifying for dual feed setup

Aeromotive fpr

Map ecu

AEN

ETG guage

AEM Wideband

Gearbox cooler

Power steering cooler

 

£3500 was wkdtime bill (iam not charging labour on this, anything to get ot off house painting), but he had alot of the electronics and FMIC already. So if anyone is intrested let me know, install time is 4 weeks , £5000 this includes mapping aswell.

 

for 5k for the lot, I'd be very interested ! My supa has not been modded so should be in good nic, 97km's on the clock, 6th plug is clean, just had service and was commented how clean it is. So should be good.

 

Do you give dyno proven results etc ?

[terribleturner]

Im sure i said this to Darryl last time i saw him, but i started off doing mine very cheap. My problem was i started to change things bit by bit and now none of what i originally bought i own (or about to sell).

 

T66, manifold, wastegate, oil/water lines, Air filter, SSQV, DP = £1100

Emange Blue, harness = £280 (i think)

720inj, Rail = £450

EMB Tuning i belive can be done for about £300

 

It helped i already had a BC, IC etc..... But now looking at that list i could still do the conversion with a smaller turbo for cheaper i bet. OK installing will add to the price, but if they are just swoping the tubo's for the new one £600-£700. Then if you do it yourself free.

 

 

But as i said before, BC at 1.2bar, IC, Fuel pump, should see you round about the 430/450fwhp. Ok insurance may go up but spend £300-400 on a 50-75shot of nos will see you at 500bhp easy.

[SupraAyf]

sell up, buy a 500hp one which someone else has plummed money into.

 

a lot cheaper

 

Not a bad idea at all Si;)

[SteveL]

Also, make sure you know what you want out of the car..

drag, track, road use .... they're all very different .

try and get a few 'passenger rides' or even better a drive in a similar spec to what you are aiming for.

I had the oportunity to experience the setup I've now got - and it helped enormously on deciding who and what to use for the install.

[Dragonlady]

Just had our motor in at Weston Performace this week.

Got an Apexi Neo fitted to sort out the fueling (were running a bit rich).

Priour we were at 447bhp on BPU with only 430lb/ft.

After a full day with them they have improved the car no end, we are now running 470bhp and 490lb/ft with a real nice curve at only 1.1bar of boost.( If I get a chance I will post up the print out later).

The best part is we are now getting nearly 24mpg.

 

Thanks Weston

[Glosphil]

Just had our motor in at Weston Performace this week.

Got an Apexi Neo fitted to sort out the fueling (were running a bit rich).

Priour we were at 447bhp on BPU with only 430lb/ft.

After a full day with them they have improved the car no end, we are now running 470bhp and 490lb/ft with a real nice curve at only 1.1bar of boost.( If I get a chance I will post up the print out later).

The best part is we are now getting nearly 24mpg.

 

Thanks Weston

 

Thats impressive ! and thats just BPU ?

[RobSheffield]

Just had our motor in at Weston Performace this week.

Got an Apexi Neo fitted to sort out the fueling (were running a bit rich).

Priour we were at 447bhp on BPU with only 430lb/ft.

After a full day with them they have improved the car no end, we are now running 470bhp and 490lb/ft with a real nice curve at only 1.1bar of boost.( If I get a chance I will post up the print out later).

The best part is we are now getting nearly 24mpg.

 

Thanks Weston

 

Nice

 

What turbos?

[imi]

470bhp @1.1bar out of a BPU....(meaning standard turbos)

 

Was this a UK car; if so, then its quite impressive - if its a Jap spec then I dont believe it (other than a highly exaggerated dyno)

 

How much are you pushing @ the wheels.....?

[Dragonlady]

Standard we think.

 

Bought it off Muffleman 2 years ago.

[Dragonlady]

No paperwork to say otherwise, Weston said it is one of the tightest engines they have seen and were very impressed with it.

[imi]

No paperwork to say otherwise, Weston said it is one of the tightest engines they have seen and were very impressed with it.

 

Hmm....lets put it this way, its the "tightest" engine ever seen here

 

I would be interested in knowing the WHEEL figures.

[Bobbeh]

What kind of dyno do they use down there?

[Homer]

What kind of dyno do they use down there?

 

I don't know if the dyno matter so much, its more what the operator does with it (Though admittedtly the dyno dynamics rollers do seem pretty consistent)

 

490ibft, I mean come on... Just goes to show people are ready to hand over their cash and beleive anything thet're told.

[Bobbeh]

Just wondered if it was one of those used to measure escorts and novas, that kinda maxes out at 300bhp

 

I prefer to use those that max out at 1800rwhp for more accurate readings

[Homer]

Just wondered if it was one of those used to measure escorts and novas, that kinda maxes out at 300bhp

 

I prefer to use those that max out at 1800rwhp for more accurate readings

 

Exactly

 

I remeber at USC last year there was this company doing cheap dyno runs, the fiesta's and escorts were getting great figures, then someone put a BPU Supra on and ended up with something like 700bhp

[pete.w]

thanks for all the replies people, selling and buying one thats allready moded aint an option ,paint work ,mileage ,ect ect so doing the graft myself more likely.i run my own garage with wortkshop and 2 poster lift ,might be able to let you lot use on the odd occasion if not being used,saturday aftrnoons allways free so do let me know?.

will keep looking for the parts i need and get cracking .

the nos is a good route but i have a 125 bhp kit on me mk3 with progressive controller ,runs for only about three weeks and then needs top up at 44 squid a go {expensive but worth it} here goes,WHERES ME SCREWDRIVER:search:

[michel lane]

give me £10 ill give you a nice dyno graph of 700hp car , give me £20 ill give you a dyno graph of 900hp... ..., dyno graphs really mean nothing , i raced a 700hp supra once in mine , i left him as though he was bpu , looked in his engine bay , it was stock with hybrids , people who sold him it told him this figure, i was running low boost 1.2 bar ...

[Dragonlady]

I am sorry but I can't believe how sceptical people are on here. Anyone who attended the rolling road day last September will vouch for how professional and trustworthy Weston Performance are. They have their own D1 team and their rolling road is a 3600 brake horse power 4500 ftlb torque dyno dynamics four wheel drive rolling road facility with twin retarders and adjustable bed housed in a purpose built specially designed.

 

http://www.westonperformance.co.uk/

 

Believe me when I say that I do not throw money away, or buy into anything without being sure of the company I am dealing with, and I certainly stay away from Chavastic rolling roads!!

 

Imi - At the wheels we are pushing approx 400.

[Matt H]

thanks for all the replies people, selling and buying one thats allready moded aint an option ,paint work ,mileage ,ect ect so doing the graft myself more likely.i run my own garage with wortkshop and 2 poster lift ,might be able to let you lot use on the odd occasion if not being used,saturday aftrnoons allways free so do let me know?.

will keep looking for the parts i need and get cracking .

the nos is a good route but i have a 125 bhp kit on me mk3 with progressive controller ,runs for only about three weeks and then needs top up at 44 squid a go {expensive but worth it} here goes,WHERES ME SCREWDRIVER:search:

 

good luck mate! good of you to offer your lift!

[Matt H]

I am sorry but I can't believe how sceptical people are on here. Anyone who attended the rolling road day last September will vouch for how professional and trustworthy Weston Performance are. They have their own D1 team and their rolling road is a 3600 brake horse power 4500 ftlb torque dyno dynamics four wheel drive rolling road facility with twin retarders and adjustable bed housed in a purpose built specially designed.

 

http://www.westonperformance.co.uk/

 

Believe me when I say that I do not throw money away, or buy into anything without being sure of the company I am dealing with, and I certainly stay away from Chavastic rolling roads!!

 

Imi - At the wheels we are pushing approx 400.

 

ummm, i dont believe you have a correct figure, i mean its just not plausable?!