garethr Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 The problem is these new breeds are started, usually, by some enterprising soul stumping up the cash to import a breeding pair or trio, put them through quarantine, then pop pups as fast as the poor bitch can come back in season. You only have to look at the history of the American Pit Bull Terrier to see what happens when a dog suddenly becomes popular and pups are bred by people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, or who deliberately select for the wrong characteristics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-NEMIE Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 no problem with anything you said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Thanks for the support, I hope his wife sees this and puts her foot down. I am appalled someone would make such a post and then say he won't register it in his own name.This alone shows ignorance. Dog licences stopped years ago, and the only registration he could make is through the Kennel Club, and that's not possible as the Boerboel isn't a recognized breed by the UK Kennel Club yet. Bit like saying I am getting a gun, but I'm ok, if I kill someone it's not registered, so I'm fine and dandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 What worries me is that in the post he says he had a labrador and it was the most unabedient dog he has ever had. Now if you can't train a labrador he hasn't a hope in hell of training anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 What worries me is that in the post he says he had a labrador and it was the most unabedient dog he has ever had. Now if you can't train a labrador he hasn't a hope in hell of training anything else Excellent point! Chris, I'll take a look at the training site as well. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul ashton Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I've heard of bulldogs but that's just a bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Sounds like a fashion statement like chris mentioned. I see it all to often in bristol. Small tiny houses i go in that have a pressa running about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Just playing Devil's Advocate now but if this guy owns the pup from birth (well 8 weeks etc) and raises the dog correctly - would the dog not be safe? I've always been a firm believer that a dog's temperament is a reflection on the owner. Staffy's get a really bad rep as a 'dangerous breed' becuase of all the dick head chav owners who think they look 'ard with one in tow. They raise them wrong and then you hear about some SBT that's mauled a kid to death. I've owned SBT's all my life and you couldn't get a more friendly breed, surely the owners are to blame for the bad ones? I appreciate a Boerboel's instincts may differ to other dogs but if raised correctly could it not be just as friendly as a Labrador? Just wondered really..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Just playing Devil's Advocate now but if this guy owns the pup from birth (well 8 weeks etc) and raises the dog correctly - would the dog not be safe? Can't guarantee it. We've had our GSD from 12 weeks and from when it was born it was in a family with a baby the same age as our daughter. He's used to being climbed over, poked & prodded and having peas stuck up his nose :D BUT I would never leave him alone in the room with our 22 month old girl. What he thinks is a playful nip could cause serious damage. Its never worth it, they're not human and can't rationalise. Sometimes their instincts can't be controlled, so best to never allow the situation to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Just playing Devil's Advocate now but if this guy owns the pup from birth (well 8 weeks etc) and raises the dog correctly - would the dog not be safe? I've always been a firm believer that a dog's temperament is a reflection on the owner. Staffy's get a really bad rep as a 'dangerous breed' becuase of all the dick head chav owners who think they look 'ard with one in tow. They raise them wrong and then you hear about some SBT that's mauled a kid to death. I've owned SBT's all my life and you couldn't get a more friendly breed, surely the owners are to blame for the bad ones? I appreciate a Boerboel's instincts may differ to other dogs but if raised correctly could it not be just as friendly as a Labrador? Just wondered really..... These type of dogs have it in built and takes years of breeding and mixing to even tame it down. Yes a big factor is how you bring the dogs up but but take my dobermans. Never taught thhen to guard or protect but no one would leave the house alive if they wasnt invited but there also very loving and great with guests if we invited them in and fantastic with kids even though we dont have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You can't compare a staffy to a Boerboel-I agree that a dog is what you make it, but a Boerboel is bigger than it's master- a Boerboel simply won't see it's master as any real threat should push come to shove- seriously how the hell would you get the bastard of the sofa if it insists it's going stay there? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 - seriously how the hell would you get the bastard of the sofa if it insists it's going stay there? With a dart gun & winch I'd suggest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Aww its so small and cute (well compared to my Mastiffs ) I agree 100% though. IMO Dogs and small children don't mix period. Ok so the bigger dog may kill, but even the smallest dog and misfigure a child terribly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN R Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 we have an 8 month old son and a 3 year old golden retriever and I am even cautious with her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 tell him to get a westie. it could run faster than me. bits fecking damn hard and barks lots does the trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 having lived in South Africa, all I can say is that the guy is out of his fecking mind if he thinks they are that great with kids. the horror stories you hear about those dogs is ridiculous. Not to mention that all the dog (80kgs) needs to do is roll over and crush the kid... or break some bones pretty quickly. I have 2 GSDs, but I dont walk them outside as they have been brought up a little on the aggressive side, coming from SA. I am considering trying to start them this summer, but I am really nervous about it, as if another dog was to start running towards them, I am not sure what my 2 would do. I doubt they would see it as a sign of friendship though. Combined mine weigh about 80kgs, and they are a mission to control. EDIT - well stated Chris, had to be said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 hang on, im sure we all know a bit about supras, but dogs? hardly fair for us to comment is it? just cos the dogs the size of tank doesnt mean its killer? in my experiance of dogs its always the little sh*tty ankle biters which are always kicking off. The only thing that does stick out is he wants it for a guard dog, yet wants it also as a pet. Well i reckon you cant have both. If the dogs trained to guard, then it aint going to be the nicest of pets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Its not the size of the dog. Its the fact dogs and children don't mix. FWIW a guard dog can make a great pet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 hang on, im sure we all know a bit about supras, but dogs? hardly fair for us to comment is it? just cos the dogs the size of tank doesnt mean its killer? in my experiance of dogs its always the little sh*tty ankle biters which are always kicking off. The only thing that does stick out is he wants it for a guard dog, yet wants it also as a pet. Well i reckon you cant have both. If the dogs trained to guard, then it aint going to be the nicest of pets Matt. Chris wilson knows a thing or to about dogs and he started the thread asking if he was out of line by his comments on the other forum . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Matt. Chris wilson knows a thing or to about dogs and he started the thread asking if he was out of line by his comments on the other forum . which would could only be judged as so by anyone knowing something about that sort of dog to start with? His comments could only be out of line if they werent justifiable to the situation. and were they justifiable? well it takes someone to know about that sort of dog to judge that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 which would could only be judged as so by anyone knowing something about that sort of dog to start with? His comments could only be out of line if they werent justifiable to the situation. and were they justifiable? well it takes someone to know about that sort of dog to judge that. You kind of have a point- but this thing is a Mastiff, so you will have some kind of idea if you've owned a similar Mastiff based breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Aaron on the IMOC forum... bless him, he's a character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 II'll ask the question for you, and if I get a worthwhile bit of info I'll be sure to let you know. Are you going to Crufts, no doubt there will be some good 9and bad..) specimans there? You are right there, for the past few years on the discover dogs section the DDB's have been terrible, and the owners did not really seem intrested in being there, just by speaking to them you could tell they were just in it for the money and not promoting the breed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarak Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 That is one bloody big dog, give it a black coat and it could be a bouncer on the door of a nightclub! My dads mate is a big chap, possibly the strongest chap I've ever met (not Schwarzenegger big, but naturally strong and a former rugby player). He's had several rottweilers that he's raised from pups. I went around to his house once with my dad (a good several years ago) and his rottweiler stuck its head out through the garden gate and I can honestly say to this day that I have never seen a bigger dog in all my life, its head was twice the size of mine and it still wasnt fully grown. Whilst we were there this dog was one of the softest and friendliest dogs I've ever met, but when my dads mate left the room the rottweiler didnt take its eyes off you, needless to say I didnt dare move an inch for fear of it killing me (this was at the time the rottweilers were getting bad press in the media - aka "devil dog"). My dads mate said that when its fully grown, if it went on a mission to harm someone it would be a struggle to restrain it...and the Boerboel in the 2nd pic on that thread makes that rottweiler look small! Thankfully the dogs he has raised over the years have all been gentle giants and not once have they been aggressive to anyone, which Im confident is down to the way he raised them. With regards to the Boerboel, I can't see how anyone could restrain an animal that big when fully grown and in a bad mood. I think you were right to air your concerned opinion Chris, I for one wouldnt like to be on the recieving end of that dog if it suddenly decided it wanted to hurt me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 People forget, they aren't too many generations away from wolves. A lot of instinct in these lovable family animals. Some are more placid than others (a bit like people if you think about it). Can you imagine trying to train a timber wolf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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