Chris Wilson Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 PLEASE don't jump onto this other forum and add any comments and start any sort of flame war, but just between "US" in here, was I right or wrong to crtiticize this guys expected dog purchase? http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=60344 I feel really strongly about this, and foresee a disaster if he goes ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You were right, the guy cant string a sentance together, and is considering it to keep his family safe - not a good reason for having a dog really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Completely agree with you Chris, especially with the heightened cases of foulplay by various breeds of dog in the press. Far to dangerous to have this mammoth around Kids, especially if it's sole purpose is 'guarding' too, and hence is trained and bought up lfor those reasons. Sadly, all you can do is warn them which you have rightfully done. The decision however rests with them mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Sounds rational to me. Just don't post back after getting in from the pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicholas Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 100% right imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I would say you were right to post. I would want opinions and advice from anyone with more knowledge than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ads Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I don’t know much about dog breeds but this guy doesn’t seem to have a clue! Why is he so obsessed with a dog that will defend his family "to the death"? Jeeez, get a decent home alarm system! You obviously know your dogs Chris, and are more than qualified to say what you said, let’s just hope he takes your advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknox Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Spot on Chris. Hope he takes note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You mention the DDB chris, is this just a generalisation or something you view to be the case all around? The reason I ask is that I have been researching the DDB's for some time (circa 6mths) with a view to getting one in the summer of this year. I have reasearched breeding for the last 3 months and have found (what I believe to be) a quality breeder who's stock can be traced back to many well known dogs and bitches. His own dogs (studs and bitches) are all show dogs but kept in family environments. I just wondered if you had any further thoughts/opinions which may differ from those I have gathered myself (internet, books, breeders and family owners). Many thanks Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Top Post Chris I hope he heeds your warnin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You were definitely in the right Chris. I would like to know how he intends to stop 16st of pure muscle and teeth when it loses its temper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknox Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You mention the DDB chris, is this just a generalisation or something you view to be the case all around? The reason I ask is that I have been researching the DDB's for some time (circa 6mths) with a view to getting one in the summer of this year. I have reasearched breeding for the last 3 months and have found (what I believe to be) a quality breeder who's stock can be traced back to many well known dogs and bitches. His own dogs (studs and bitches) are all show dogs but kept in family environments. I just wondered if you had any further thoughts/opinions which may differ from those I have gathered myself (internet, books, breeders and family owners). Many thanks Lewis wow, that was very polite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 If only every forum had someone with the advice and guidance that you gave. Good posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Good post Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 A good post from someone with knowledge and experience in the field, the question is will he heed your advice ? I am interested to see what his reply is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazla Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You were definitely in the right Chris. I would like to know how he intends to stop 16st of pure muscle and teeth when it loses its temper. My thoughts exactly. This guy thinks he lives in the Bronx. I guess its ok if you live on a remote farm somewhere but just imagine that being loose on the streets. Also there would be no walkies for this dog. Imagine trying to pull 18stone back on a lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 You mention the DDB chris, is this just a generalisation or something you view to be the case all around? The reason I ask is that I have been researching the DDB's for some time (circa 6mths) with a view to getting one in the summer of this year. I have reasearched breeding for the last 3 months and have found (what I believe to be) a quality breeder who's stock can be traced back to many well known dogs and bitches. His own dogs (studs and bitches) are all show dogs but kept in family environments. I just wondered if you had any further thoughts/opinions which may differ from those I have gathered myself (internet, books, breeders and family owners). Many thanks Lewis I think I may know someone who will give impartial and accurate advice, but I *SUSPECT* she may say get one from Belgium or France. The problem, Lewis, is these new breeds are started, usually, by some enterprising soul stumping up the cash to import a breeding pair or trio, put them through quarantine, then pop pups as fast as the poor bitch can come back in season. The temptation then is to keep a couple of bitch pups and interbreed. Maybe someone else will have brought fresh bloodlines into the UK, as well, and you are able to amicably work together, or even the first breeder is ethical (wow....), and they don't interbreed, but wait to mate with fresh bloodlines. However, once the first batch of pups is in the UK someone will want to join this 1500 quid a pup bandwagon, and bad breeding starts very early in the breeds introduction. You either pay a premium and hope to get what you rightly expect, or you go abroad to the countries of origin and buy there. It's a minefield. I like PROPER Neapolitans and DDB's, but they are few and far between in the UK. The nice thing about our Karabash's is they have never been at all popular in the UK, also like the Komondors we used to have, so were never really affected like the DDB's. The Karabash are also so primitive that if they were kept in the wrong environment they'd just esacpe and bugger off I'll ask the question for you, and if I get a worthwhile bit of info I'll be sure to let you know. Are you going to Crufts, no doubt there will be some good 9and bad..) specimans there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I think I may know someone who will give impartial and accurate advice, but I *SUSPECT* she may say get one from Belgium or France. The problem, Lewis, is these new breeds are started, usually, by some enterprising soul stumping up the cash to import a breeding pair or trio, put them through quarantine, then pop pups as fast as the poor bitch can come back in season. The temptation then is to keep a couple of bitch pups and interbreed. Maybe someone else will have brought fresh bloodlines into the UK, as well, and you are able to amicably work together, or even the first breeder is ethical (wow....), and they don't interbreed, but wait to mate with fresh bloodlines. However, once the first batch of pups is in the UK someone will want to join this 1500 quid a pup bandwagon, and bad breeding starts very early in the breeds introduction. You either pay a premium and hope to get what you rightly expect, or you go abroad to the countries of origin and buy there. It's a minefield. I like PROPER Neapolitans and DDB's, but they are few and far between in the UK. The nice thing about our Karabash's is they have never been at all popular in the UK, also like the Komondors we used to have, so were never really affected like the DDB's. The Karabash are also so primitive that if they were kept in the wrong environment they'd just esacpe and bugger off I'll ask the question for you, and if I get a worthwhile bit of info I'll be sure to let you know. Are you going to Crufts, no doubt there will be some good 9and bad..) specimans there? Thanks Chris, that's really useful. I take your point, the only other things I would add really is that I would expect SOME minor bloodline tampering with ancient breeds (alledgedly the DDB was the first recorded dog breed in literature). I would not expect belgium to have any less tainting of the bloodline, France potentially but then it is a more popular breed over there than here so I would expect it may be more tainted. It's a minefield and I am trying to do what's best for me/the dog and so any help you can provide would be most welcome. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 The Boerboel was bred as a man catcher (eater? ), it's too heavy, too slow and too short legged to be a livestock guardian. These types can have a lot of people aggression in them, and they can have hair triggers, pulled by innocuous situations. At least most flock guardians are pretty stable and are pretty, too! A child just taking a toy off one, or going to it whilst it's eating can trigger a reflex with disastrous consequences. There are about a handful of proper trainers in the UK who know how to deal with this type of dog, and they are closely knit bunch who keep themselves to themselves. They'll be horrified that this breed is taking off as a fashion statement. As an aside, the very best dog training site I have ever seen, for large or small dogs, for companions or working, is this one, the owner is a legend in his field, but disliked by a lot of the new generation reward based training , don't smack or dominate brigade : http://www.leerburg.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Think I'll stick to golden retrievers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Good one Chris, hope he takes your advice. I will stick with the cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra dan Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 people never cease to amaze me. as Chris says it only takes seconds for any dog to turn if its having a bad day, that thing would kill a child in seconds. still, you would get your face on the telly at the big funeral with all the flowers, "i cant understand it he was a big softie really". i feel sorry for the dog also, not their fault if a numpty buys them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve77964 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 i have 2 utonagans and i love them to bits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 That is likely the biggest dog I have ever seen! I think you were spot on to give him the advice you did. I am always nervous when it comes to dogs + kids. I cannot even begin to imagine the damage one of those would cause from a "get lost I'm fed up" snap. Owning one of those dogs would be like owning a mountain lion! Ill advised unless you own a wildlife park and have trained staff on site I think I too will be sticking with the cat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I thought you were spot on Chris. These dogs have been used for rounding up slaves in lower Africa- if a slave escaped, the dog caught you and brought you back, and it wasn't like Lassie saving little Tim- it'd grab you by an arm or leg and drag you back to it's master. There is no way I'd let any child of mine go to a friends house that has one of those Boerboels as a pet. If this chap has his heart set on a dog, for his purposes then he's probably best off with an ex- Police GSD, although I don't know how good these are with kids, especialy an ex Plod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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