MaveriK Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 CJ, only jesting and the lies going around that i said i would have walked had i known you were Welsh are greatly exaggerated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Mac Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 If the police get wind of a Muslim fundamentalist plot to do something nasty - what are they supposed to do? Round up Welsh Jews? Pick me up? WTF? Everyone knows that it is unfortunate that some of these sick f*ckers that feel the need to do terrible things happen to be Muslim, it doesn't mean that they are picking on Muslims for no reason - it means those guys with the guns/bombs/bad attitudes are f*cking it up for everyone else I utterly agree with that. During the troubles in the 70's, did you see Catholics complaining that they were getting picked on because all the IRA suspects arrested were Catholic? No! These people are not being arrested because of their religion. They are being arrested because they are suspected of planning terrorist acts. The fact that the majority of terrorist acts in the world just now stem from Islamic fundamentalism inevitably means that the majority of people arrested will be from a Muslim background. At least our Police are following due process and do actually release people when they find the person they arrested, based on the evidence at the time, is actually innocent. This is not a dig at imi, or any other law-abiding British Muslim, far from it. I understand that it must feel intimidating to the perfectly normal people that live in the predominantly Muslim areas in Britain to see so many arrests of people in their area. I can't, however, see how the term 'police state' can be justified. If this were truly a police state then we wouldn't have the freedom to have the debates and protests that are going on right now. Instead we would have no restriction on detention periods, no burden of proof, no trial by jury system, no appeals process and no free press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 CJ, only jesting and the lies going around that i said i would have walked had i known you were Welsh are greatly exaggerated! Welshist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTheBoy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I don't quite see how this works. You are suggesting that Blair and the rest have enough power to arrange early arrests of suspects etc and yet he does not have the power to stop the cash for honours investigation which involves him directly. To my mind, either the police are pawns or they are not. There can't be rules that change as to the situation eh? Doesn't make sense to me. Whole new can of worms... I agree with most of the posts on here tbh, if they have to arrest 100 people to allow them to catch and charge 1 terrorist then that is a justified action. That one terrorist could kill hundreds on his own. Id rather that than wait for the one bad guy to pull the pin and then get named three months later once enough 'bits' have been scooped up. With regards to the police specifically targeting muslims, isn't it the same sort of thing as back in the 80's & 90's with the IRA, where it would have been a waste of resources to be looking at black welsh women for example as it was clear what demographic was causing the problems. We as a nation (and me personally) don't hate muslims, but ALL of the terrorism in question is and has been caused by that particular demographic so it is perfectly justified to be looking at that group in more detail than others. Im not justifying guantanamo bay (spelling?) etc but needs must, considering the current condition of the world. If there was a group of 500 5'11" brown haired white guys roaming around essex planting bombs I would expect to get more police attention than normal untill they had all been caught. It stands to reason... I'd be pissed off about it but i'd understand why and accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I don't quite see how this works. You are suggesting that Blair and the rest have enough power to arrange early arrests of suspects etc and yet he does not have the power to stop the cash for honours investigation which involves him directly. To my mind, either the police are pawns or they are not. There can't be rules that change as to the situation eh? Doesn't make sense to me. He's done his best to hinder their progress in the cash for honours scandal- things can be fluid too- he can't simply tell the Police to piss off can he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 He's done his best to hinder their progress in the cash for honours scandal- things can be fluid too- he can't simply tell the Police to piss off can he. I still don't buy the theory mate. You say he has the power to tell the police who to arrest and when and yet he cannot have a quiet word with the Chief Constable to stop the heat? Nah - that's nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I still don't buy the theory mate. You say he has the power to tell the police who to arrest and when and yet he cannot have a quiet word with the Chief Constable to stop the heat? Nah - that's nonsensical. Funny coincidences then isn't it- google every major terror raid, especially the ones that brought up squat, against media references to Blair- 15 troops die in Iraq on Monday- 8 Muslims arrested in a dawn swoop on Tuesday... 21 pedophiles do a runner on Wednesday, a bomb plot exposed on Thursday... There were major terror raids 400 yards from my house, and the woods where I walk my dog was cordoned off for 'searches' for 7 weeks- they found fuck all in Fennels woods, not a bloody thing- they did trash the place though- when they weren't playing five-aside football on the rugby pitch for days on end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Its almost as laughable as the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Remember the London Bombings ? They had some of the suspecst under serveillance months before the attack was carried out. I think they are frightened now of letting any of these potential plots go too far. The problem is it is almost impossible to judge how far to let a suspect get on with his / her plan before going in to make arrests. I am annoyed that the press keep getting all the info about the suspects their names, addresses etc, this should all be kept totally out of the public view, fine inform the press you have suspects under arrest but thats it. That way who is being victimised ? If no charges are borought they can go and nobody has a clue who they are, life returns to normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Bet Imi wished he'd never started this thread now eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I am annoyed that the press keep getting all the info about the suspects their names, addresses etc, this should all be kept totally out of the public view, fine inform the press you have suspects under arrest but thats it. That way who is being victimised ? If no charges are borought they can go and nobody has a clue who they are, life returns to normal. Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Five down, two to go then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Agreed. Arrest as many as possibly needed to at least eliminate some of the threat. A non-racist post that is not intended to offend (I have Asian mates), but quite simply I would prefer to sit next to a white person over a coloured commuter on a train. Simple reason being, as we've all seen, it is the Muslim 'extremists' and other ethnic groups that have caused the bomb threats and detonations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 ..A non-racist post that is not intended to offend (I have Asian mates), but quite simply I would prefer to sit next to a white person over a coloured commuter on a train. Simple reason being, as we've all seen, it is the Muslim 'extremists' and other ethnic groups that have caused the bomb threats and detonations. I don't think moving 3 seats down is going to help too much mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Bet Imi wished he'd never started this thread now eh? On the contrary its quite amusing to see some of the replies - some I agree with.... If they are guilty then so be it and I don't mean guilty for not paying their TV license Like I said, the Heathrow saga all fizzled off, the forestgate shooting of an innocent bloke - and this seemed to be heading the same way (scaremongering of the public). I thought I made that pretty clear in my 1st post - shame that some failed to grasp that ..........but quite simply I would prefer to sit next to a white person over a coloured commuter on a train. Simple reason being, as we've all seen, it is the Muslim 'extremists' and other ethnic groups that have caused the bomb threats and detonations. Sheefa - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Agreed. Arrest as many as possibly needed to at least eliminate some of the threat. A non-racist post that is not intended to offend (I have Asian mates), but quite simply I would prefer to sit next to a white person over a coloured commuter on a train. Simple reason being, as we've all seen, it is the Muslim 'extremists' and other ethnic groups that have caused the bomb threats and detonations. i agree totally - and im asian! but, thats not to say that i'll move, as cj says, moving 3 seats aint gonna help, and im prepared to give the person the benefit of the doubt as i have alot of muslim friends. i think the problem lies with not knowing whose a danger anymore because the last few suicide bombers looked and lived like normal people in the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Sheefa - havent seen that for ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 On the contrary its quite amusing to see some of the replies - some I agree with.... If they are guilty then so be it and I don't mean guilty for not paying their TV license Like I said, the Heathrow saga all fizzled off, the forestgate shooting of an innocent bloke - and this seemed to be heading the same way (scaremongering of the public). I thought I made that pretty clear in my 1st post - shame that some failed to grasp that The problem with the "Heathrow saga" as you put it is, that the Police have a solemn duty to protect the public. What if, for example they hadn't acted upon intelligence and something did happen? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's unfortunate, that at present, the greatest terrorist threat facing this country, is from disgruntled British Muslim men. Not foreigners, but more often British born or naturalised British citizens. The IRA were the same as well, most of them were British born, but their agenda was different, a minority fighting for the Provence to be reunited with Ireland Infact throughout history, the majority of terrorism in this country has domestic roots. Guy Fawkes? The Jacobite Uprising? Animal rights extremists? The current letter bomb campaign against companies/agencies involved with speed enforcement? It's the press that have alot to answer for. And our current Government, who seem to have adopted the American policy of scaring the shit out of the electorate by creating an atmosphere of fear and distrust and feeding the press juicy titbits of (mis)information in order for us to feel that the Government are doing their bit to protect us from this evil threat. And because your average joe in the street believes all the crap he reads or see on the TV, then the policy will continue to work for those it seeks to serve. Believe me, we don't live in a Police state, and I hope to God that we never will. But by the Government seeking to create a policy of fear instead of trust, then it's the first step on the slippery slope. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Like I said, the Heathrow saga all fizzled off, the forestgate shooting of an innocent bloke - and this seemed to be heading the same way (scaremongering of the Yeah, agreed. Bit like the Nick Griffin trial, media and extremist groups playing it all up and he was found innocent. British justice at it's best;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 The problem with the "Heathrow saga" as you put it is, that the Police have a solemn duty to protect the public. What if, for example they hadn't acted upon intelligence and something did happen? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. ...................................t by the Government seeking to create a policy of fear instead of trust, then it's the first step on the slippery slope. IMO. Good post there Doug.. Personally I don't mind the police doing their job provided that their success rate "intelligence" was better, I am not saying accurate, at this stage, any improvement would be a good thing As to the comment about the threat coming from home grown muslim men, well that doesn't surprise me one bit and it is a real shame. When you have one pathological liar and a dumb-witted fool trolling around invading countries with this "war against terrorism" slogan what exactly could one expect...... Very sad times....I hope things improve.....but its doesn't look good. Anyways, I just came back from Cannes and am starving, (I should have stayed the weekend, nice and sunny, warm - it was gorgeous) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 A non-racist post that is not intended to offend (I have Asian mates), but quite simply I would prefer to sit next to a white person over a coloured commuter on a train. Simple reason being, as we've all seen, it is the Muslim 'extremists' and other ethnic groups that have caused the bomb threats and detonations. WTF:blink: So, what colour were the IRA guys at Hyde Park? How the fuck can you make a statement like that and claim not to be racist??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 How the fuck can you make a statement like that and claim not to be racist??? duh........he's got Asian Mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 duh........he's got Asian Mates. Wow, so cultures do mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 duh........he's got Asian Mates. Probably not for long - they're likely to get slightly pissed off when they get on the train with him, sit down and he says "Er - I'm just going to sit a bit further down the train next to that white guy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Terrorism is a secretive business, its obvious that police intelligence is going to be patchy and grey. With apologies to the innocent Muslims already freed and the innocent Muslims yet to be arrested and freed in the future, I'm sorry but I'd rather see thousands of suspects arrested and later found to be innocent if it means one genuine terrorist is caught....the alternative doesnt bear thinking about. Another aim of terrorists is disruption and the escalation of bad feelings between factions....cant help wondering if the recent bad intelligence and false arrests are due to rather clever miss-information on the part of the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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