Jade Goody . . .

[DamanC]

Firstly let me say i dont watch big brother. Secondly i got wind on the news today of whats been going on, and wondered if it was going to be covered on here, it has, winner

 

Seriously, what a load of bollox. The world has degenerated in such a PC place, this is todays top story over everything else? War, famine, pollution are still going on and the world has stopped to talk about 10 retards in a posh hut in the middle of London.

 

Jade is a fucktard, we know that, its been true for years. Shilpa whatshername is also a fucktard along with the rest of degenrates in there.

 

Shilpa gets bullied, why not? just from her face id want to kick her in the c*nt. Just like the rest of them, they all need a slap and removing from the pulic eye.

 

Ive been called names in the past, and do you know what, i really could not give a toss. It all boils down to someone wanting attention/make money/get there own way. I know, lets play the racist card, because thats what it is. No ifs or buts, its that simple. If you dont like the comments then people should go and wrap yourself up in a little cotton wool ball and spend the rest of your life in the corner of a room, either that or get out more and get on with far more important things in life.

 

Racism is a load of bollox. Just becuase someone has a different skin colour/from another part of the world they are deemed different. Make a coment about someone being different and it seems parties want you strung up by your bollox, get the fuck over it. We are ultimately all here to live out our life, destroy this plannet along with the human race so to be honest, none of us are different.

[Dragonball]

Congrats to Channel 4 and Carphone Warehouse for one of the best Publicity Stunts of all time

 

(Well sounds like Stunts - but enough of Jade...)

 

Masterly manipulation...

[DaveK]

Racism is a load of bollox. Just becuase someone has a different skin colour/from another part of the world they are deemed different. Make a coment about someone being different and it seems parties want you strung up by your bollox, get the fuck over it. We are ultimately all here to live out our life, destroy this plannet along with the human race so to be honest, none of us are different.

 

I accept that this is in a whole different league from the Jade / Shilpa issue - but from your argument it would appear that Jews / Poles etc. really shouldn't have had an issue with Hitler? His acts were not racist - they were just because he didn't like people for some perfectly innocent reason and the rest of the world over-reacted?

 

Racism is not bollox - it is an ugly fact of life. There are different degrees of it - calling Shilpa names / imitating her accent etc. is not as bad as beating people up because they are a different race, and that's not as bad as trying to wipe out whole nations. But it is still racism - and some of the comments in the house were racist, and should not be accepted.

 

Personally - I'm not offended by her comments / behaviour - they don't affect me personally. However - they are still wrong and should not be tolerated.

[SUPRASUZUKI]

Lol.....have you actually seen the conversation that took place? the whole conversation? Because if you had, then you too along with the millions that watched would know he did'nt actually call her 'White trash'.

 

Why isnt it front page in the papers if he did?

 

Its like banging your head aginst a wall.

 

I'm not remotely interested in what was said.

 

I'm only commenting on 'one way racism'. The term white trash is racist. Period.

[Charlotte]

 

 

Some people might say 'The whole BB racism thing is a complete farce and all the usual people are over-joyed to have the chance to be offended again.' Obviously that not something I would ever say though.

 

Some would say 'It's almost like Channel 4 knew what they were doing'.

[Millsy]

I think it's all bollocks and also that Barrymore and co picking on Jodie Marsh last year was racist - against the Essex race. Nobody complained about that and people still tell Essex jokes. Disgraceful !!!

[Mike]

Some would say 'It's almost like Channel 4 knew what they were doing'.

 

Channel 4 - 30 years of not giving a fuck!

[Ian R]

I accept that this is in a whole different league from the Jade / Shilpa issue - but from your argument it would appear that Jews / Poles etc. really shouldn't have had an issue with Hitler? His acts were not racist - they were just because he didn't like people for some perfectly innocent reason and the rest of the world over-reacted?

 

Racism is not bollox - it is an ugly fact of life. There are different degrees of it - calling Shilpa names / imitating her accent etc. is not as bad as beating people up because they are a different race, and that's not as bad as trying to wipe out whole nations. But it is still racism - and some of the comments in the house were racist, and should not be accepted.

 

Personally - I'm not offended by her comments / behaviour - they don't affect me personally. However - they are still wrong and should not be tolerated.

 

 

I agree racism is not bollox it has now been turned full circle now you are persecuted for being white.

We haven't got the card to pull when things don't go our way

[sdavies]

I accept that this is in a whole different league from the Jade / Shilpa issue - but from your argument it would appear that Jews / Poles etc. really shouldn't have had an issue with Hitler? His acts were not racist - they were just because he didn't like people for some perfectly innocent reason and the rest of the world over-reacted?

 

Racism is not bollox - it is an ugly fact of life. There are different degrees of it - calling Shilpa names / imitating her accent etc. is not as bad as beating people up because they are a different race, and that's not as bad as trying to wipe out whole nations. But it is still racism - and some of the comments in the house were racist, and should not be accepted.

 

Personally - I'm not offended by her comments / behaviour - they don't affect me personally. However - they are still wrong and should not be tolerated.

 

YAY I knew someone would do it...

 

Congratulations, you have fulfilled yet again Godwin's Law :d:d

 

See: Godwin's Law

(Sorry Jake, tis a Wiki link )

 

 

Sheesh.

 

You are right, the atrocities that Hitler began is not in the same league, it is not even the same ballpark - in fact, it aint even the same f*cking game! What that nasty (yet clever) little manipulator did was nothing shy of sheer hate crimes - for the sake of hate, not racism (ok he let his hate of Jews get in there somewhere I am sure) - just pure applied hate with profoundly unbalanced logic behind it, and somehow convinced a nation it was all good!!! Racism is endemic in all societies - I have a good Indian friend originally from Gujarat, and he is one of the most racist folk I know :d, wake up call - every race is racist. Anything can be deemed racist - I mean - thank f*ck I don't get offended at Welsh jokes... they are Racist! OMGz!!! Oh Noz!! LIKE I CARE...

 

p.s. not a personal attack mate, just my POV

 

Anyone for a Beer?, this diet and no booze is making me all aggro

[DaveK]

Racism is endemic in all societies - I have a good Indian friend originally from Gujarat, and he is one of the most racist folk I know

 

I agree - racism does exist in all societies. Shilpa may be racist for all I know. That doesn't mean some of the remarks in the house were not racist.

[imi]

Congrats to Channel 4 and Carphone Warehouse for one of the best Publicity Stunts of all time

 

(Well sounds like Stunts - but enough of Jade...)

 

Masterly manipulation...

 

 

what else could they do with such a boring bunch.......

 

its worked wonders for their ratings

[wkdtime]

So why not use the original term "trailer trash". IMO saying white trash has nothing to do with skin colour is delusional. You almost never hear a white person on American TV/movies refer to anyone remotely trashy as "white trash".

 

Well millions of American's dont seem to think it has any racist tendancies in the way it used now, where as years ago it may have done so, as it's now widely accepted in reference to someone's class.

 

If you read my posts, i clearly outline two points,

 

1. I would'nt use the term 'White trash' as it does provoke racial hatred even thought the intent was not too.

 

2. Jermaine did not call her (Jackiey) white trash.

 

End off.

 

I'm only commenting on 'one way racism'. The term white trash is racist. Period.

 

I can see what you mean.

 

See my post below.

[wkdtime]

 

 

That's crazy. Of course it's to do with skin colour. What does the word white represent then, if not skin colour?

 

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See this for those who want to know of the origins of 'White Trash'.........This is what Jermaine was refering to, He's American, this is how its preceived in America.

 

http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/white_trash.htm

 

If it's precieved in England as racist then thats a different matter altogether.

 

Here is an abstract from the above link,

 

White Trash in the American popular media are stereotyped as uneducated, lazy, vulgar, and showing little respect for authority or social norms. White Trash is often, though not always, seen as politically conservative.

 

 

 

Males are perceived to be white trash if interested in stereotypically "manly or macho" things, such as sports, tattoos, body piercing (late 1990’s) especially hunting and motor sports, guns, tobacco smoked and chewed, alcohol, mostly beer and sex. They tend to avoid anything that could be considered girlish or feminine, such as fine art, ballet, or even fine food.

 

 

 

Females are perceived to be White trash is unrefined, tattoos, body piercing (late 1990’s), either very submissive or aggressive in their social behavior.

 

During the 1980’s and 1990’s, many television sitcoms were developed featuring white trash families or characters. Some of these included:

 

The Simpsons

Married with Children

Karla and Woody from Cheers

Roseanne, Grace Under Fire

Unhappily Ever After

King of the Hill

Grounded for Life

Especially Mimi from "The Drew Carey Show"

 

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So there was no racial intent intended by Jermaine which is abundantly clear to the rest of the world who understand the meaning of the above term in question and also the context it was said in, but not to a few minority who seem to be either on a witch hunt or have a complete lack of understanding.

 

Just to make it clear,

 

Do i think Jade is racist? Hell no, she's just socially retarted and a bully.

Was Jermaine being racist? Ofcourse not, see above and make up your own minds.

[KaoriFan]

as with anything in life you will get those who agree and disagree, we have seen that in this thread. i don't think anyone will change thier views having read through of this.

 

i don't necessarily think it was overtly racist, i did notice things that i did find were on the getting near the mark, their was an undercurrent, but that was made worse by the ignorance, bigotry and bullying that was going on.

 

problem these days is few take the time to learn about other cultures or spend time with other races. A little bit more tolerance in the world would work wonders and solve many problems.

 

As for racism specifically i cannot abide it in any form whether whatever race is doing it.

 

many times to see on travel programmes brits/caucasians on holiday in Asia, and walking around temples completely ignorant of the customs of 'covering up' when going inside.

 

i am white (born CofE), but since then don't feel tied to one religion or culture, i have much more of a world view on everything. Races are not good or evil, individuals are.

 

i guess the saying 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', sure came true for Jade and Danielle, since they are now screwed on their careers and finances. so long as they don't do a 'Kate Moss'.

 

final thought on this, who will probably not get screwed, poor old Teddy, lol

[Paul]

So when Jermaine or any coloured person says something that could be taken as racist they are defended to the hilt with definitions from dictionaries and explanations of how he 'really' meant it (despite not knowing him:) )

Yet, when it's the other way round and something less clear cut is said then they are jumped on and no explanation is accepted?

[Charlotte]

Yet, when it's the other way round and something less clear cut is said then they are jumped on and no explanation is accepted?

 

Jumped on by the media yeah.

 

But by all accounts Shilpa has said it wasn't racism and so has Jade so they've kissed and made up.

[wkdtime]

So when Jermaine or any coloured person says something that could be taken as racist they are defended to the hilt with definitions from dictionaries and explanations of how he 'really' meant it (despite not knowing him:) )

Yet, when it's the other way round and something less clear cut is said then they are jumped on and no explanation is accepted?

 

Paul what part of the following sentance do you not understand bud?

 

"Jermaine did not actually say that Jackiey was white trash"

 

He even said it was a term he would not use.

 

Get with the convo.

[DaveK]

So when Jermaine or any coloured person says something that could be taken as racist they are defended to the hilt with definitions from dictionaries and explanations of how he 'really' meant it (despite not knowing him:)

 

As has been stated - many times - Jermaine did not call Jackie white trash.

 

I just read the news - seems there will be no public at the eviction tonight, since they are concerned Jade will be lynched.

[adi2009]

So when Jermaine or any coloured person says something that could be taken as racist they are defended to the hilt with definitions from dictionaries and explanations of how he 'really' meant it (despite not knowing him )

Yet, when it's the other way round and something less clear cut is said then they are jumped on and no explanation is accepted?

 

Cant really believe that people are still discussing this on the forum, dont you ll have anything better to do. I mean, Seriously, common, its quite obvious that this appears to be a publicity stunt. Both the concerned people have now stated that the issue is not of 'racial' motive. Honestly, not many people in Asia watch Big brother, the main reason Shilpa was brought into it is so that BB can get a hold of a market there. However, people arent gonna just watch rubbish like this, unless some controversy hits the headlines and sparks conflict to get the public's attention. All of which channel 4 and BB seem to have achieved by now.

 

Common ppl, get a life, a lot of progressive things can be done in the time wasted discussing this utter bullsh*t

 

And as for those folks in india (or wherever Shilpa is from) on the news jumping up and down and burning effigies of the Channel 4!

How very civilised and forward thinking they look too.

 

Oh believe me, Shilpa is not one of the very famous actors in Bollywood. As long as you pay people they would do anything you want, I m sure you could get a bunch of chavs from the street, pay them to act like jackasses burning shit and they probably would do it. You could then be played on the news in another country over and over again and they would not think of them as very civilised or forward thinking either.

[hogmaw]

To all the people who think BB is rubbish:

 

1 - why are you even bothering to read this thread

2 - why bother to post on it!!!

3 - don't slag off those of us who find it entertaining. I am sure some of us think what YOU are into is quite boring, yet we don't have a go at you do we? Each to his own eh?

[tbourner]

Soaps were invented to keep scroats off the streets for 3 hours a night, now they've realised they can't fit enough 'realism' into soaps to keep people interested and so Reality TV was born!!

Reality TV has taken over from the soaps, seeing 'real' people doing 'real' things is much more entertaining that actors, and BB is the best (original) at getting huge arguments and funny situations out of their 'cast', to keep these 'scroats' chatting about it for days on end and glued to the TV in the evening rather than out causing trouble.

 

 

15 pages now.

[Gazboy]

Well millions of American's dont seem to think it has any racist tendancies in the way it used now, where as years ago it may have done so, as it's now widely accepted in reference to someone's class.

 

If you read my posts, i clearly outline two points,

 

1. I would'nt use the term 'White trash' as it does provoke racial hatred even thought the intent was not too.

 

2. Jermaine did not call her (Jackiey) white trash.

 

End off.

 

 

 

I can see what you mean.

 

See my post below.

 

 

I bet if I called you brown trash you'd be a touch upset. I emailed my sister in NYC about this white trash thing, she confirmed you will very, very rarely hear it used by a white person.

[DaveK]

I bet if I called you brown trash you'd be a touch upset. I emailed my sister in NYC about this white trash thing, she confirmed you will very, very rarely hear it used by a white person.

 

And in this case, it wasn't used by a black person either. Because, he didn't call Jackie.... oh, it's just not worth repeating it again really is it?

[sdavies]

To all the people who think BB is rubbish:

 

1 - why are you even bothering to read this thread

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Curiosity I guess, maybe that morbid bit at the back of your brain that tells you - go on - pick that scab, what's the worst that can happen - I promise it'll feel good!

 

2 - why bother to post on it!!!

 

In much the same way that people that get offended watching something... and yet still watch it... just so they can see how offended they can get Always struck me as dumb tbh But hey ho - I guess I can see the dread fascination. One mans meat, another mans poison (same with most stuff really).

 

Personally, this is it for me I am gonna draw a Gump line "That's about all I gotta say about that", as I find the whole situation retarded

 

3 - don't slag off those of us who find it entertaining. I am sure some of us think what YOU are into is quite boring, yet we don't have a go at you do we? Each to his own eh?

 

I don't think I personally insulted anyone directly (I try not to) - unless by calling something you like (are into) utter shite is insulting!? I guess it is... oh well, sorry Amigo, just my POV, which I am entitled to and entitled to express I will share it on this subject no more anyway as you quite rightly mention - this shouldn't even be my domain, sadly it appears to have made its way into my everyday life (and hence into my cross hairs) as during so many aspects of my day I have seen it rammed in my face - non stop feckin news, tv exposure and weird arguments about racism on a forum I frequent .

 

As for stuff I am into - generally it is not offensive, does not make news or cause global incidents for absolutely dumb reasons (unless you are talking about our beloved 3 litre gas guzzling environment r*ping planet destroyers ) and people can call me dumb as a box of rocks for doing it for all I care :d.

 

I shall stop feeding the fire, sorry!

[jazz1]

boring