Jade Goody . . .

[RedM]

So, I would refer to an asian as a 'Paki', no disrespect but that's my term for them regardless of what area of asia they come from.

 

What a horrible, ignorant, little man you are.

[Paul]

What a horrible, ignorant, little man you are.

 

Not so little, but thanks;)

 

All I'm guilty of is trying to prove what a silly state all the 'racism' stuff is getting too.

[far]

Paul are you racist or asking a hypothetical question?

[Paul]

I'm just trying to understand why every little comment is disected when comments are made towards certain groups yet excuses are made when it's said in return?

Simple observation and a genuine question.

[wkdtime]

And being called 'white trash' isn't malicious ?

 

Dude, it's American for Chav, it has nothing to do with colour of your skin.

I would'nt personally use the term, and neither did Jermaine, the guy you so much would like to think is Racist.

 

Have you even watched the conversation on TV? If you had then like millions of other people who watched it you wouldnt take it out of context nor would you think he meant it mallicously or that it was racist.

 

Give it a break will ya.

[RedM]

Not so little, but thanks;)

 

All I'm guilty of is trying to prove what a silly state all the 'racism' stuff is getting too.

 

Racism always seems "silly" and never harmful when you are white and privileged.

[Paul]

when you are white and privileged.

 

White and privileged? Please explain that then?

[RedM]

White and privileged? Please explain that then?

 

No. It's obvious what it means. So instead have a read of the Wikipedia entry for 'White Trash'

 

White trash is an American ethnic slur with a social class component. The term is usually considered interchangeable with trailer trash. It is comparable to "honky" in that it is targeted toward white people, but it also connotes low social status and poor prospects (i.e., downward mobility). To call someone "white trash" is to accuse that person of being culturally bankrupt. "White trash" is not a demographic group recognized by sociology.

Attitudes toward the phrase have softened somewhat in recent years, to the degree that some people describe themselves as "white trash", and there is a genre of rock music known proudly as "white-trash rock", but the phrase is still never found in polite contexts. "White trash" is usually associated with poverty; lack of education can also play a role.

 

Origins and contexts The origins of the term may come from a racially segregated past, but modern usage of the term places emphasis on the word "trash" or the labelling of someone as socially worthless. It is often used by lower class white people to stigmatize others within their class who are perceived to be more backward than the norm for their class. "White trash" are perceived as having crude manners, abnormally low moral standards, and lack of cultured behaviour and/or education. Swearing, smoking, promiscuity, drunkenness, overly loud and animated behaviour in public, and gambling (especially the copious purchase of scratch-style lottery tickets), and owning expensive cable television packages are examples of "white trash" vices. The label might be applied to a household that, for example, lives in a decrepit apartment or trailer, has a large family, lacks indoor plumbing, and has a yard strewn with debris or perhaps a non-functioning vehicle.

This group is "America's poorest and most disparaged and despised category of whiteness" (Berger 2000, p. 284). By the Fussell categorization of social class, most of these people would rank in the low and middle "prole" class. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "white trash" first came into common use in the 1830s as a pejorative used by the slaves of upper-class Southerners, often plantation aristocrats, against poor whites, below even the status of yeomen, who worked in the fields; at the time, it was synonymous with the slurs "sand hiller" and "clay eater"; "white trash" were (hyperbolically) assumed to farm ineptly on poor land and therefore resort to eating clay in order to survive. The term involves both behavioral characteristics (such as mannerisms, lifestyle) and overt racial characteristics (whiteness). The term is widely used across the United States, not only in the South, Appalachia, and Midwest, but also in East and West Coast cities like New York and Los Angeles, as a shorthand to deride others, especially those from surrounding rural regions. On the West Coast, however, the term is often used colloquially in its abbreviated form: PWT (Poor White Trash).

 

Discussion

 

Some commentators argue that the use of the term is provoked by the "confusion of racial identities and stereotypes," and that some white people may use it as a result of a stereotypical comparison with non-white people. However, according to Annalee Newitz, it is "not simply that white 'renters' or 'trash' are acting black. Rather, by behaving in a manner considered indecorous...these...(white trash) are disrupting implicit understandings of what it means to be white." The term "designates ruptures of conventions that maintain whiteness as an unmarked, normative identity" and is used "in racialized contexts where class and race differences become conflated, overlapping rather than remaining clear and distinct." The term "materializes a complicated policing of the inchoate boundaries that comprise class and racial identities in this country"

 

 

 

However, since the term is the only "white identity which does not view itself as the norm from which all other races and ethnicities deviate" and "because white trash is, for whites, the most visible and clearly marked form of whiteness," this confusion may "perhaps help to make all whites self-conscious of themselves as a racial and classed group, to bring...us one step closer to a world without racial division, or, at the very least, a world where racial difference does not mean racial, symbolic, and economic domination" (ibid, introduction).

 

 

A related stereotype is that of the redneck, though they differ considerably. A rural middle-class person may proudly characterize himself as a redneck (for example, the comedian Jeff Foxworthy uses his "redneck" persona as part of his schtick), but could be genuinely offended if called "white trash." "Trash" is more pejorative, and geographically different.

[Paul]

I think I'm less racist than most in some ways. I do try to understand it from both sides and yet it always ends up the same, it's down to opinions rather than reason as I see it?

[merckx]

Jade - Thick, fat, ugly ,repulsive bitch.

[Kopite]

I think I'm less racist than most in some ways. I do try to understand it from both sides and yet it always ends up the same, it's down to opinions rather than reason as I see it?

 

Sort of know what you mean, althought I'd be careful about who you go calling a Paki etc.

[Paul]

Well, civil war will break out now as they are both up for eviction!

 

Classic, it's gonna be a race vote............get to ya phones:d

 

What a bloody mess:(

[Paul]

Sort of know what you mean, althought I'd be careful about who you go calling a Paki etc.

 

Thanks, it was more of an example than a statement;)

[far]

Well its Jade and Shilpa up for the public vote tommorow - wonder who will go?

 

 

It will be so funny to see Jade get booo'd out and Jack(ass) be in the house on his own

[far]

.........I dont think Shilpa will go on sympathy grounds, it would be a real shocker if she did after everything that has happened!

[Paul]

Watching it now shows what a load of twats people have been taken for, Shilpa is clearly showing she won't mix and is continuing with the sympathy vote.

 

All taken in by a devious bitch

[Charlotte]

When you're bullied you withdraw into yourself and you don't particularly want to mix with the people that bullied you.

 

It's happened to most people in their lives I think.

[SUPRASUZUKI]

So "White trash is an American ethnic slur with a social class component. The term is usually considered interchangeable with trailer trash. It is comparable to "honky" in that it is targeted toward white people.

 

 

Singling someone out on an ethnic basis? Targeted towards people of a certain skin colour?

Honky is a racist term used by black Americans!!!

 

Sounds about as racist as you could get to me!!

[DaveK]

When you're bullied you withdraw into yourself and you don't particularly want to mix with the people that bullied you.

 

It's happened to most people in their lives I think.

 

Exactly.

[Charlotte]

The white trash thing wasn't even anything to do with this particular debate with Jade and Shilpa, it was with Jade's mum and not to her.

[SUPRASUZUKI]

I'm not interested in the big brother bollox (tv at it's worst). Just in the inequality of views on racism.

[far]

Sort of know what you mean, althought I'd be careful about who you go calling a Paki etc.

 

Would be funny if I went into the Chinese and called him a Paki

[Paul]

But it was said before this recent outcry yet nothing was said or done?

[Paul]

I'm not interested in the big brother bollox (tv at it's worst). Just in the inequality of views on racism.

 

That's exactly where I'm coming from.

Racism is happening in both directions in our society yet only one view is always shown?

[Guest Geneb]

Bloody stupid the whole idea of BB is to get people at each others throats for public entertainment but as soon as some indian tottie starts to get the shit ripped outta her by some big mouth big titted retard who i would like to bone.

OUT COMES THE RACIST CARD!!!

 

ITS BOLLOCKS there was an Indian MP on GMTV the other morning who said to Ben Shepherd that its not nice calling shirpa a PAKI!! sorry but if ever there was a RACIST comment that was fooking it and that was from the indian lady crying racist!!

 

work that one out!

 

at the end of the day i have pakistani and indian friends and i say the same to them as my tight fisted scottish mate if u dont like it in england fuck off else were. i dont care if ur pink blue yellow or welsh lets just get on and stop worrying about how different we are