Paul Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 'If' there is an argument against Jade and Co and you admit Jermaine said what he said aimed at Jades mum then why wasn't a 'racism' capaign created days ago slamming him for that? Please answer this as I'm trying to understand this racism stuff yet all I seem to see is it all going one way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I can see why Shilpa thinks it's racist - because as she keeps saying "what makes me different?". And the obvious thing is her race. However - I think this actually highlights what I said earlier - the underlying cause of the arguments are not racist. She is different, because her culture is so different, and the brainless ones can't understand that. So in that respect - I think Shilpa is wrong - the verbal attacks against her were not racist (I don't think lack of cultural understanding is racist, it's just ignorance). But - it doesn't change the fact that when she is not around, the girls are making racist comments about her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragaz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 'If' there is an argument against Jade and Co and you admit Jermaine said what he said aimed at Jades mum then why wasn't a 'racism' capaign created days ago slamming him for that? Please answer this as I'm trying to understand this racism stuff yet all I seem to see is it all going one way. I agree that Jermaine's comment was a racist comment and should be addressed. all Racist comments should be dealt with as soon as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 As far as I am aware, any act that is deemed racist by an individual or group, is racist. So just because some people perceive what the fat pig said as not being racist does not mean that others can not perceive it as racist. I used to have to deal with alleged acts of racism, I remember the guideline been very clear, the important issues is the perception of the act rather than the act. With a record number of complaints I am sure if someone had the inclination to pursue the case it could end up in court. In the context of what was said, the most clear comment that was most likely to be perceived as being said with racist intent was the "FKing go home". It does not matter whether the target of the abuse hears the comment, a third party can hear it and perceive it as racist. Having seen the clip containing the quote above, the meaning was clear to me. Go back to the continent of your ancestors. It was to me a throwaway racist remark. A view obviously view held by many around the world. I hope the silly little girls get what they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 For somone that seems to repulse pepole, she has got your attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragaz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 As far as I am aware, any act that is deemed racist by an individual or group, is racist. So just because some people perceive what the fat pig said as not being racist does not mean that others can not perceive it as racist. I used to have to deal with alleged acts of racism, I remember the guideline been very clear, the important issues is the perception of the act rather than the act. With a record number of complaints I am sure if someone had the inclination to pursue the case it could end up in court. In the context of what was said, the most clear comment that was most likely to be perceived as being said with racist intent was the "FKing go home". It does not matter whether the target of the abuse hears the comment, a third party can hear it and percive it as racist. Having seen the clip containing the quote above, the meaning was clear to me. Go cack to the continant of your ancesters. It was to me a throwaway racist remark. A view obviously view held by many around the world. I hope the silly little girls get what they deserve. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I hope the silly little girls get what they deserve. I think they are beginning to. On the radio this evening, they said that Danielle has just been dropped from a future modelling contract, Jade's perfume has been pulled from one store. Carphone Warehouse have supposedly also asked for their sponsorship ad to be pulled and will have to "consider their position" if it continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 OK, let's hope that they deal with Jermaine in an equal manner then:) Somehow I doubt it. I rest my case:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supradoopa Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 At the end of the day nothing will happen, they'll get a slapped wrist and a talking too nothing else, why because... there celebs and they get away with most things that us norms wouldn't. For example multi pound foosballer takes coke... what happens gets slapped wrist. Take that Pete Docherty what a waste of space, if it was a normal person they'd be in jail. So in my conclussion they can all stick it up there snooty ass*s! Oh and Jade you should of sorted your fat face out before you had lipo, breasts etc you fat tranny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I always thought the public image of Jade was a very dumb ugly woman famed for her stupidity and attention seeking stunts. Witness her London marathon attempt. But in reality her stupidity is nothing to her arrogance and fucked up bigotry. She's a psycho bullying control freak. The sad thing about this is with help from people like Max Clifford, the ugly fat Queen of Chavs will be opening even more supermarkets. Celebrity and fame are like powerful Supras. In the hands of the stupid they're downright dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 What saddens me most , is that the attitude of those girls is the same attitude held by far too many in this country. They should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately they will probably harden their views due to the huge long term financial consequences of their actions. No company in their right mind would ever want to be associated with them. I am sure they will live to regret what they said. I actually fear for their safety, once they are away from the media spot light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 'If' there is an argument against Jade and Co and you admit Jermaine said what he said aimed at Jades mum then why wasn't a 'racism' capaign created days ago slamming him for that? Please answer this as I'm trying to understand this racism stuff yet all I seem to see is it all going one way. Yes your point of view has made me think of this objectively and I agree what Jamaine said was also completley racist and he should be pulled for it just like the 3 bitches should. I just think its a context thing and the heat is on the bitches vs Shilpa and not on Jamaine. Also if we rate the degree of racism I think the comments of 'fcuking pakie' and 'fcuking go vback home' seem harsher than the 'white trash' comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 To be honest, I can't believe people watch the shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Is this still going on? My ants have built a large colony and have formed a parliament and are discussing the finer points of lint farming!!! Know what I'll be watching tonight... (I hear there will be a vote on what is the most attractive, long or short antennae). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Load of lefty bollocks. What I want to know is what they will do about Jackos brother for calling them 'white trash'. Now that is clearly racist yet has been played down. I bet the f*cker will be happy to take our white trash money once he's out of there and looking to cash in on it? Paul The 'white trash' comment needs to be taken in context of the whole conversation. Jermaine, said in a conversation, "in America they'd call Jackiey white trash", he then clearly said that it's not a term that he would use. The term white trash is not perceived as racist as it is frequently used by all races including white, however derogatory it is as a description of social status. White trash isn't a racist term, it's an American type of person term, very similar to us using the word 'chavs'. Quote from WIkedpedia, "White trash is an American ethnic slur with a social class component. The term is usually considered interchangeable with trailer trash. It is comparable to "honky" in that it is targeted toward white people, but it also connotes low social status and poor prospects (i.e., downward mobility). To call someone "white trash" is to accuse that person of being culturally bankrupt. "White trash" is not a demographic group recognized by sociology" Thus the 'f*ucker' (Jermaine, who is American incase you didn't know) as you so nicely put, wasn't being racist, hence why it hasn't made it on the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Ok two things, The going home thing, technically she doesn't live here so I mean, going home is what she will do eventually. I'm not sure it was said in the way people think because Danielle is seriously stupid. Secondly 'white trash' refers to Trailer Park people in the US and is a common term, similar to chavs in this country. People need to watch Chris Rock in stand up, he has an excellent take on the whole class in races thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Nobody is saying that the 'white trash' isnt racist, it IS a racist comment. I dont think she is using the colour of her skin to get what she wants, thats BS. She was bullied by a group of skanks in a pack mentality and the things that were said behind her back (especially by Danielle) were disgusting and racially motivated. In short, It should not be tolerated. Guys read up on the facts, firstly he didn't call her White trash, secondly, It's America's equivelant to 'Chav', its another way of saying 'Trailer trash'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So, I would refer to an asian as a 'Paki', no disrespect but that's my term for them regardless of what area of asia they come from. In the context of your explanation for Jermaines words then this is fine I take it? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Please don't use the term white trash, it's offensive to me. I'm white and trashy:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So, I would refer to an asian as a 'Paki', no disrespect but that's my term for them regardless of what area of asia they come from. In the context of your explanation for Jermaines words then this is fine I take it? Paul You're refering to a whole race in your statment. White people call them white trash. It's a class thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So, I would refer to an asian as a 'Paki', no disrespect but that's my term for them regardless of what area of asia they come from. In the context of your explanation for Jermaines words then this is fine I take it? Paul Erm Paki is to do with race...White trash/Trailer trash/Chav is to do with social class. It also maybe also summit to do with the fact that the only time an Asian hear's the word 'Paki' being used it's usually in a malicous way. And also, a very small number of asian's are Pakistani, they also come in Indian's, Chinese, Japanese, Iranian, Iraqi.....i could go on. But if you want to refer to all of the above as 'Pakis' then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I think that 'racism' is such a grey area (no pun intended) and it's so vague these days. Bloody stupid, it does the opposite as it sets people of different backgrounds further apart not bringing them closer:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Erm Paki is to do with race...White trash/Trailer trash/Chav is to do with social class. It also maybe has summit to do with the fact that the only time an Asian hear's the word 'Paki' being used is in a malicous way. I'm honestly not in a room with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 so maybe has summit to do with the fact that the only time an Asian hear's the word 'Paki' being used is in a malicous way. And being called 'white trash' isn't malicious ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So, I would refer to an asian as a 'Paki', no disrespect but that's my term for them regardless of what area of asia they come from. In the context of your explanation for Jermaines words then this is fine I take it? Paul I think it has been repeated several times above that the word 'white trash' is not considered racist in its orginating country and as Wilkpedia describes it therefore it cannot be held in the same degree or context as the word 'paki' then in answer to your question you using the word 'paki' to describe and Asian or even a 'Pakistani' origin person is completley incorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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