Guest dee_rz Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 ONLY in the UK is the 200 mph barrier deemed impossible. Crap like "massive frontal area", "poor aerodynamics" , "front end lift" etc are spoken by those who would dung themselves to even hit the std 155 limiter. If a std version, delimited, in the USA in 1993 can hit 181mph in a road test (it's in a book I have somewhere) the extra 19mph when BHP is almost tripled isnt that hard. I have been well wound out in 6th, and i can tell you those Mecs stuttering at 155mph in the other lane of the autobahn are almost a blurr when the Supra is at those revs (18" and UK diff) in 6th. I like my top end runs and Supra's do it so well! agreed and also i believe it is 187mph that the stock usa car hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Dee, I have a great idea, how about, at the ring trip this summer we spend the Sat night (quietest night on the Autobahn) doing top end runs. Some genius on here can tell us how to measure the cars "exact" speed (please folks, dont even mention GPS on the dash, it so slow in europe anyway it's in a time warp), in a way that is practical and will satisfy the skeptics on here. Perhaps we can have a "in forum" bookie so people can put their money where there keyboards are lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Hire a vbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Hire a vbox OK how does it go / work /hook up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 It's years since I used one but back then it was a huge box with a GPS aerial that you mounted on the roof. It needed a laptop to start the recording and to read the data. It looks as though things have moved on quite a bit since then: http://www.racelogic.co.uk/?show=VBOX The standalone VBox Mini should do everything you need in one unit but I don't know if they hire them out like they used to with the big system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Might have to do, not a fan of GPS, especially on a downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 When we did that timed bruntingthorpe day with J tuner the guy who timed it + all his equipment was £500 for the day i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Might have to do, not a fan of GPS, especially on a downhill. The mini would be a nice little toy for laps of the 'ring too, it has the ability do auto lap timing based on a set start point, it can output the data onto Google maps too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 agreed and also i believe it is 187mph that the stock usa car hit It wasn't stock. It had HKSGT25/30 sequentials for a start, hks cat back, hks fmic, and a few other 'signal fudgers' as TerryS would put it. The full spec was in a'big sequential' thread- search GT25/30 or 'Mario Andretti and you should find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Yeah, wasnt stock at all, wasnt exactly the most tuned thing either afaik, ei just an example of a mildly tuned supra about 10 years ago, or what you could do with $10-20k extra to make it compete against those supercars of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 It wasn't stock. It had HKSGT25/30 sequentials for a start, hks cat back, hks fmic, and a few other 'signal fudgers' as TerryS would put it. The full spec was in a'big sequential' thread- search GT25/30 or 'Mario Andretti and you should find it. Never heard of this car, nothing to do with my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 For the top speed runs, an AP22 will do. Or an APXX if you have the money (I am saving for one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Never heard of this car, nothing to do with my post. As someone who actively reserched sequential kits I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. Post was in response to Dee's post, as you can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 For the top speed runs, an AP22 will do. Or an APXX if you have the money (I am saving for one). Can you enlighten me as to what an AP22 is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Bit of a hangover this moring Gaz, slighty foggy in my brain lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Bit of a hangover this moring Gaz, slighty foggy in my brain lol Trust me, you know the car- silver 6spd, driven by Mario on that shootout between tuned cars vs the Big Mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 This one is new to me, any links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 http://www.race-technology.com Very good stuff. A BIG cut above even the newer Gtech stuff (which are great, but not for this app). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 This one is new to me, any links? Main shoot-out- R&T Aug 98: http://mkiv.com/publications/road&track/index.html Street Power 99 has details of the car: http://mkiv.com/publications/other/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dee_rz Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Dee, I have a great idea, how about, at the ring trip this summer we spend the Sat night (quietest night on the Autobahn) doing top end runs. Some genius on here can tell us how to measure the cars "exact" speed (please folks, dont even mention GPS on the dash, it so slow in europe anyway it's in a time warp), in a way that is practical and will satisfy the skeptics on here. Perhaps we can have a "in forum" bookie so people can put their money where there keyboards are lol. If i do go i'll be up for that, i'll look into hiring something and i'll ask around for something that may be upto the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 That HKS car, which they quote at 380bhp @ the rear wheels stopped at 6200rpm. Bit strange that. I cant tell if the car was F-Con equiped, but if it wasn't and had a HKS SLD then 179 to 183 is as far as it goes and then stops, as i found out. 183.6mph @ 6200RPM. The car was a manual with 6sp. Do the sums and 6800RPM is 201.36mph. Been there and beyond, and it was fun. Dimitri has had well over 8000rpm on his 19" 315 tyre car in 6th!. For the record you dont need 2 bar to do 200MPH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 http://www.race-technology.com Very good stuff. A BIG cut above even the newer Gtech stuff (which are great, but not for this app). Thank you Syed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 That HKS car, which they quote at 380bhp @ the rear wheels stopped at 6200rpm. Bit strange that. I cant tell if the car was F-Con equiped, but if it wasn't and had a HKS SLD then 179 to 183 is as far as it goes and then stops, as i found out. 183.6mph @ 6200RPM. The car was a manual with 6sp. Do the sums and 6800RPM is 201.36mph. Been there and beyond, and it was fun. Dimitri has had well over 8000rpm on his 19" 315 tyre car in 6th!. For the record you dont need 2 bar to do 200MPH. Peak power was at 6200rpm- how can you accelerate faster than peak power allows? At 6300 it's making less power- bhp is rate of work, if the rate of work goes down, speed also goes down, or in this case, goes no further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Dee, I have a great idea, how about, at the ring trip this summer we spend the Sat night (quietest night on the Autobahn) doing top end runs. Some genius on here can tell us how to measure the cars "exact" speed (please folks, dont even mention GPS on the dash, it so slow in europe anyway it's in a time warp), in a way that is practical and will satisfy the skeptics on here. Perhaps we can have a "in forum" bookie so people can put their money where there keyboards are lol. What's wrong with measuring using GPS? Not being funny, genuinely curious. I have a fun memory of Faye (who was driving at the time) yelling at the Supra in front of us to shift out of our way because he'd just hit the limiter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Peak power was at 6200rpm- how can you accelerate faster than peak power allows? At 6300 it's making less power- bhp is rate of work, if the rate of work goes down, speed also goes down, or in this case, goes no further. Strangley enough, I have found plenty of cars that can go past peak power on top. My silver one for a start. Most I have found will go by it by a few hundred rpm, where power might be weakening, but it's not a diesel, the roll off is not that fast i.e. 500bhp @ 6200 and 460 @ 6400 etc. Most people running a big single go to 264 cams, peak power point varies according to how it's timed in but 6800 to 7000 is typical. The aero dynamic barrier with a Supra is very hard to find, I personally dont know of an aquaintance who has been there, however i expect some of the tuners have. e.g. Jun @252mph? on Salt flats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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