CJ Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Normally I would agree with you mate however, if imi has attempted to trade and has had a negative experience with that proces (in this case, being refused because of his stated opinions) I would say that is valid feedbackm so long as it is explained that the trade was never completed. I see it as no different to someone who has said they will buy something and then not paid, either way, no money has changed hands, no goods sent and it's still a negative. Just my opinion (although feel free not to trade with me because of it) j/k In that case then, would Martin be justified in leaving a negative for Imi too? Like I say, I really think that is an abuse of what the system was set up to achieve. Oh, and if you ever want to buy a car you know what you can do eh? Yes, ring me and not that nasty men Jurgen and Whiffin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 No money/goods change hands then no trade. Leaving feedback because you do not get to buy it for what ever reason is ridiculous. Sorry IMI it is a case of tough tittes bud. You play with fire be prepared to man up and get burnt. Along with CJ, I think it is ridiculous and wrong for you or anyone to leave feedback when no trade has taken place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I am thinking of leaving negative feedback for this particular trader / x-trader (or whatever he would like us think) for his attitude sucks. His comment about choosing who he deals with and banning me from dealing with him (for NO REASON AT ALL other than working in an unbiased way for the benefit of members / traders & the club) is good enough in my books to earn him another negative point. What do you all think? The cheek of trying to say am a simpleton, with a comment as stupid as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Jurgen and Whiffin! Sounds like a crazy comedy duo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Sounds like a crazy comedy duo You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment (j/k) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I dont usually comment in thread like this..... I think the current system could be improved, exactly how is open to debate, but I would suggest at the minimum that the buyer cant leave feedback until the seller has left it. This would stop buyers being scared to leave negative and force sellers to leave appropriate feedback if they want to attain any themselves. I think that a link to a thread for negative feedback being compulsory is a good idea too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 TBH, I think that is the dumbest thing I have read in a while. How can you leave a negative trading rating for someone who isn't trading with you? If you do that it will make a complete mockery of the rating system. I don't think its as dumb as you think... Another example. If the trader takes ages to even provide you with pricing, then despite that no TRADE has taken place dont you think other members should be warned...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I don't think its as dumb as you think... Another example. If the trader takes ages to even provide you with pricing, then despite that no TRADE has taken place dont you think other members should be warned...? Don't you think you are taking this crusade too far mate? TBH, I could not give a flying feck whether you had to wait a long time for a price. If I want to purchase something, I will ask for a price and then decide if my request was answered promptly. Your past experience of waiting for a price would not put me off at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I look at it this way, if a trader bent over backwards to get me prices, timescales etc. More and more info on the technical aspects of what I was doing, what turbo to go for, how I should set up my fuel pumps etc etc, and then I decided I was going to wait a while, I would consider leaving them positive feedback explaining the effort they went to on my behalf and their excellent customer service in the way they conducted themselves. like I say, just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I would suggest at the minimum that the buyer cant leave feedback until the seller has left it. This would stop buyers being scared to leave negative and force sellers to leave appropriate feedback if they want to attain any themselves. I see your thinking but one of the worst traders on here hardly ever leaves feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I don't think its as dumb as you think... Another example. If the trader takes ages to even provide you with pricing, then despite that no TRADE has taken place dont you think other members should be warned...? I have to agree with CJ on this one. If this was the case I'm sure you would never buy from me again, as it's taken me about 4 weeks to get you some Toyota prices. This was not me ignoring your request or taking my time over things, this was a result of a complete restructure of prices of OEM parts by Toyota, coupled with the Christmas holiday. Does that make me a bad trader? I'd love to be able to give customers a price straight away, as it is in my interest to get a sale out of every request and for commonly supplied parts and more popular aftermarket brands I can do this. However when it comes down to specific Toyota parts for specific models, or a more obscure Japanese brand, then I have to request prices from the manufacturer or distributor, which can take time. If you have ever dealt with the Japanese and other Asian countries, you will realise how difficult doing business here can sometimes be. When sourcing parts from Japan there is always an element of unknown you need to take into account, people will tell you what you want to hear and then do something completely different. It is only after you have done business in Asia for a while that you learn how to deal with it's many idiosyncrasies. If you think some of the traders on the forum are bad, you would be horrified by how customers are treated by some companies here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Normally I would agree with you mate however, if imi has attempted to trade and has had a negative experience with that proces (in this case, being refused because of his stated opinions) I would say that is valid feedback so long as it is explained that the trade was never completed. I see it as no different to someone who has said they will buy something and then not paid, either way, no money has changed hands, no goods sent and it's still a negative. Just my opinion (although feel free not to trade with me because of it) j/k Feedback should be for completed deals only. Otherwise it's a bitchin' match about what could have been. Thats silly. I dont think I have traded with Michael, I have on a few occasions with Martin, and he was top man to deal with, paid up, not yappy, and didn't nit pick. What more could I ask for? I am still of the opinion that Martin tried too hard to keep everyone happy and got a real sickener, which is surprisingly easy to do on here. If I were to take some people on here to heart I'd be very pissed off too, however I am all too aware that car clubs often attract some obsessive anorak types, who have nothing good to say about "anyone's anything", and think life owes them something cause they are here. (Not referring to you Mike) Before anyone jumps to conclusions, may I make it clear that the majority of the people I have got to know on here over the years are top people! even Jake! he is actually a very helpful and reasonable guy!. Yeah I'd buy him a pint anytime lol. eeerr...think I owe him 4 at least by now lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 I dont think I have traded with Michael You have and I'm a "Reliable buyer!" apparently. You sent me some windscreen wiper arms with dead flies and bird shit on, that earned you the following feedback: Very fast delivery, great communication - a pleasure! And in the other 'private' box: Great seller, even threw in an assortment of dead insect remains - for FREE!! I'm a nice chap, I just say what's on my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 LMAO...........now I remember.............I was trying to enhance Sonax sales lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 It worked, that's exactly what cleaned them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Feedback should be for completed deals only. Otherwise it's a bitchin' match about what could have been. Thats silly. What about agreeing to sell a part to someone then selling that part to someone else because they offer more? No deal was completed, but negative feedback would be justified I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 This thread is going like all others. http://www.somethinelse.com/media/60/779_jeremy_kyle_342x262.jpg So we should all go on the TV and have it out with the big man. ps back on topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Don't you think you are taking this crusade too far mate? TBH, I could not give a flying feck whether you had to wait a long time for a price. If I want to purchase something, I will ask for a price and then decide if my request was answered promptly. Your past experience of waiting for a price would not put me off at all. Not at all; its a genuine concern.....I am simply discussing whether PRE-SALES SERVICE should also be rated and not just the transaction when/if completed. WE measure our customer satisfaction, PRE & POST sales....so why shouldn't we welcome traders on this club into the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I have to agree with CJ on this one. If this was the case I'm sure you would never buy from me again, as it's taken me about 4 weeks to get you some Toyota prices. ............u would be horrified by how customers are treated by some companies here. No, that was not my point. Nic - You are always upfront about your delivery times - don't forget you provide really attractive prices compared to UK traders so it evens out, longer lead times for MUCH better prices and you always keep the buyer informed (also provide advice) - you give the buyer a CHOICE. You informed me about the Toyota pricing situation, so despite finding it very strange I accepted it and still came back to you, didn't I? In fact - I will be placing an order with you after speaking with Toyota tomorrow - so keep up the good work Nic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Not at all; its a genuine concern.....I am simply discussing whether PRE-SALES SERVICE should also be rated and not just the transaction. WE measure our customer satisfaction, PRE & POST sales....so why shouldn't we welcome traders on this club into the real world. Once again your use of the term "traders on this club" pisses me off as that now includes me personally. I have probably bought more goods off traders on the forum than almost anyone else and I consider myself to very much in the real world. Your continuous vitriolic attack on traders (myself included) is both patronising and condescending. My advice to you would be to buy off whoever you wish to and complain about that transaction and trader if necessary. Please don't mouth off at every given opportunity and tar us all with the same brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Merely an observation - not pointing any fingers etc etc - but there quite few other threads of this nature. If there is an issue - shouldn't some positive action be taken ? Perhaps, members need to be more pro-active. Rather than start a whinge thread - start a thread to discuss a possible solution to be proposed to the mods. If the members aren't making the iTrader system work for themselves - then shouldn't we be thinking of ways - WE CAN - make the iTrader system work for us ? What processes can be laid down ? I've not got any answers - as I'd need to give it some thought. It looks quite a tricky one, to think of a process, that works around the iTrader system and so the majority of members would find acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 Could those who wish to go down the trader bashing / loving route wander off to one of the many generic "Trader" threads that are currently available please. This particular one is really aimed at iTrader and the way it can be used for evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Sorry IMI it is a case of tough tittes bud. You play with fire be prepared to man up and get burnt. Fire - what fire? is he above the rest of us? sod that..... The Guy messed MUTIPLE fellow members around; didn't provide a sufficient explanation; I suggested a way to reach a resolution and for him to save face; he ignores all suggestions; trader already decided to transition the business over; however uses this opportunity to milk the pity before he leaves; fan club join in and congratulate him on his integrity.... - guess he is having the last laugh at how gullible some members can be. He gets pissed off cause he was exposed and decides to get all personal and vindicates me (even though I was completely unbiased and just doing the right thing); how unprofessional is that. Along with CJ, I think it is ridiculous and wrong for you or anyone to leave feedback when no trade has taken place. Your opinion is noted; I haven't left any negative feedback yet; simply discussing the point for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 Merely an observation - not pointing any fingers etc etc - but there quite few other threads of this nature. I don't think many of them are saying anything new, I wouldn't take quantity as an indication of seriousness with this issue, people like to repeat themselves on this particular topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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