michael Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Firstly let me draw your attention to my most recent piece of feedback: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/itrader.php?u=695 I'm not sure if you will be able to see anything other than "Supra Boot Carpet" but this is the information entered: Micheal bought a Boot carpet from us a few months back. We sold it in good faith and belived it to be in good condition. 4 1/2 months later Micheal leaves negative feedback without even contacting us to say his carpet has an oil stain. IF we had been told we would have happily exchanged the carpet. Micheal has been hard to deal with on a number of occasions. My first point on this particular subject is that I dealt with Jody T and left feedback for Jody T: Note that Jody has 100% feedback and no negatives: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/itrader.php?u=6039 You will also note that he has a positive feedback from me as follows: Boot carpet with sub hole - perfect, delivered quickly This is the only boot carpet I have purchased, no negative feedback has been left for the purchase of a boot carpet. You may also note that Jody hasn't given me any feedback despite me buying this carpet from him. In a recent thread I mentioned that the carpet in question turned out to have some oil stains on it despite being described as "mint" - these were invisible to the eye when the carpet was checked in my garage but became quite apparent in sunlight. The carpet sat in the garage for some months before seeing sunlight and during that time met with a Stanley knife so that the sub hole could be opened up and allow a bigger one to protude. Jody sent me a PM following my post and was quite disappointed that I hadn't asked for a replacement. Having explained the delay in seeing it in the sunlight and the modifications made I made it clear that I wouldn't have expected a new one but still felt it was appropriate to mention that it wasn't as "mint" as hoped when posted out. We agreed to leave the matter at that and I said to Jody that perhaps the lighting in his packing area was similar to that in my garage. Job done, matter resolved, no hard feelings, I wasn't hard to deal with. But what's this? Suddenly a chap I didn't deal with, who (reckons) has nothing to do with the company concerned is leaving me negative feedback about something he didn't sell me... how odd! When prompted at the time it was specified that I should leave feedback for Jody as the deal was with him. Not only is this a transaction that he has nothing to do with, so has no right to leave feedback, but as a buyer I paid instantly, provided address details immediately and didn't complain to the company and request a replacement when it turned out to be below my expectations. So in what way is his negative feedback relevant? Surely he wouldn't be on some kind of a revenge mission would he? You'll note from feedback left for this character that there is a positive from me too: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/itrader.php?u=2530 As it says the item came in good time but remains untested. Positive feedback where positive feedback is due. Oddly the ex-trader in question hasn't returned the gesture despite me purchasing the item within minutes of it being advertised for the full price, I wasn't hard to deal with. In the extra information section I mentioned that the item arrived with no USB cable, manuals or software, I still left positive feedback and this matter remains unanswered by the person concerned. I haven't chased it up, it's not a huge issue. As most of you will remember I had a problem with this ex-trader recently, order 995, a thread which was hijacked by a lynch mob that managed to get the person in question to pretend to leave his business and hand it over to someone else. Again as a buyer I paid immediately but suspect this could also result in another negative feedback for me as once the refund arrives I plan to leave negative for the trader as I feel their service wasn't very good. Again I wasn't hard to deal with, they simply didn't deal with the order. So is this why people don't use iTrader? It's a revenge tool used by trader to tarnish the name of people they have been unable to satisfy due to their own failings, Imi's feedback shows further examples of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey76364 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I leave feed back but was alomst shoot the only time i left negative !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 So is this why people don't use iTrader? It's a revenge tool used by trader to tarnish the name of people they have been unable to satisfy due to their own failings. I think so. I don't often leave negative feedback on Ebay for this reason. Personally it doesn't actually achieve anything other than landing yourself with totatally undeserved negative feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Pm'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Personally it doesn't actually achieve anything other than landing yourself with totatally undeserved negative feedback. Disagree, it warns other folk about the kind of service the seller provides. OK you have a neg but most ebayers tend to do a bit of digging on the feedback side before buying/selling. Michael, perfect post to highlight the failings but would a PM to a mod not result in the neg being removed as we have been advised in other posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Disagree, it warns other folk about the kind of service the seller provides. OK you have a neg but most ebayers tend to do a bit of digging on the feedback side before buying/selling. That's why I said "personally" I would rather keep my 100% feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Revenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Perhaps Lucifer would care to comment on his reasons for submitting this feedback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Michael, I think you are shit-stirring by discussing this in public. If you are unhappy, talk to a mod, stating reason 123 (what goes around, comes around). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 Michael, perfect post to highlight the failings but would a PM to a mod not result in the neg being removed as we have been advised in other posts? Moderators are aware but I thought that this situation would serve as a perfect example as to why iTrader isn't used as much as it could be. phpBB's Geocator's Feedback Rating System works in a slightly better way because you can't just randomly leave feedback for anyone you take a dislike to, it forces things to be tied in to a particular thread in the for sale section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 Michael, I think you are shit-stirring by discussing this in public. If you are unhappy, talk to a mod, stating reason 123 (what goes around, comes around). I'm discussing this in public as I feel it's relevant to the community, thanks for your input though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawby Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 phpBB's Geocator's Feedback Rating System works in a slightly better way because you can't just randomly leave feedback for anyone you take a dislike to, it forces things to be tied in to a particular thread in the for sale section.We can do that too. We didn't turn the option on as a lot of transactions don't have a thread to link to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Moderators are aware but I thought that this situation would serve as a perfect example as to why iTrader isn't used as much as it could be. Sadly the main reason it isn't used correctly is highlighted by merckx post, folk just love to keep there 100% record, even at the cost of someone else getting shafted as a result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 You're welcome. However, the whole 'itrader doesn't work' thing is generally accepted, making your arguments look very much like you saying "look at me, I'm being wronged by someone I am known not to get on with". There is a button on itrader to report a bad rating, so use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 We can do that too. We didn't turn the option on as a lot of transactions don't have a thread to link to. I'd guess around 80%+ of the sales I do don't have a thread to link to, so it wouldn't be very practical from my POV. Perhaps it could be used just for member to member sales, as the majority will have a For Sale thread to link to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_a Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I sold two things recently and left positive feedback for both i recieved one back but nothing from the other, not bothered by that at all. I didn't link the thread though, basically because it would have been an effort to hunt it out and like most people i'm too idle so linked to threads isn't right. As a buyer though, you only have to pay up. That should be it for your feedback, you paid so that's good. A note could be added for other info but really michael did his bit. Raises a question or two so worthwhile posting, plus he hasn't come out slagging anyone off (which happened to me recently too) m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I didn't link the thread though, basically because it would have been an effort to hunt it out and like most people i'm too idle so linked to threads isn't right. I suppose that's fair enough if you're leaving positive feedback - but if you're leaving a Neg then I reckon a link to thread in question should be compulsory. Else how are folks supposed to make their own mind up whether the Neg is deserved or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supRo Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 As a buyer though, you only have to pay up. That should be it for your feedback, you paid so that's good. A note could be added for other info but really michael did his bit. There are bad buyers too! For example someone taking ages to pay, or you have sent something out as it was urgent to the buyer and then they don't pay. Or maybe they promise they will buy something and you hold the item and then they say they don't want it! Anyway, it's unfortunate but don't think that all members are honest and trustworthy! There are a few who aren't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Michael, that is truely shocking (although like the devil will say - there is another side to the story - so really looking forward to that) I am thinking of leaving negative feedback for this particular trader / x-trader (or whatever he would like us think) for his attitude sucks. His comment about choosing who he deals with and banning me from dealing with him (for NO REASON AT ALL other than working in an unbiased way for the benefit of members / traders & the club) is good enough in my books to earn him another negative point. What do you all think? As a buyer though, you only have to pay up. That should be it for your feedback, you paid so that's good. A note could be added for other info but really michael did his bit. One would think so, but apparently so we are told by learned ones that some people's money is not to be accepted. I must be an angel to have pissed off the devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Edit - I just checked the trader area and saw for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 The system is open to unrealisitc expectations, and twisted so and so's also. Items should be checked asap and feedback given also asap. Telling someone 3 months later you have a problem with it isn't much good to the seller. I always try and under describe the condition of anything i sell as people's imaginations dont get the better of them. So far plenty of deals, small and large and everyone happy. However there is always someone out there that cant be pleased cause they are full of crap, and those certain people I would refuse to sell to on that basis. Thats my right to do so, and if i ever feel the need to I shall refuse. Thankfully never had to yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I am thinking of leaving negative feedback for this particular trader / x-trader (or whatever he would like us think) for his attitude sucks. His comment about choosing who he deals with and banning me from dealing with him (for NO REASON AT ALL other than working in an unbiased way for the benefit of members / traders & the club) is good enough in my books to earn him another negative point. What do you all think? TBH, I think that is the dumbest thing I have read in a while. How can you leave a negative trading rating for someone who isn't trading with you? If you do that it will make a complete mockery of the rating system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Read wrong. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 TBH, I think that is the dumbest thing I have read in a while. How can you leave a negative trading rating for someone who isn't trading with you? If you do that it will make a complete mockery of the rating system. Normally I would agree with you mate however, if imi has attempted to trade and has had a negative experience with that proces (in this case, being refused because of his stated opinions) I would say that is valid feedbackm so long as it is explained that the trade was never completed. I see it as no different to someone who has said they will buy something and then not paid, either way, no money has changed hands, no goods sent and it's still a negative. Just my opinion (although feel free not to trade with me because of it) j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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