Jake Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Anyone know about dog breeding? We've got a Beagle called Harry, he's about 5 months old. We want to get another one in the next few months. I was thinking about having Harry mated with another pedigree Beagle before he gets castrated, I've heard that when you do this (mate your dog with another) you get the pick of the litter for free - is that right? Sounds like a good way to get another dog, better than paying another £800 for one anyway! My Mrs is worried though. She's heard that if you stud your dog it makes them aggressive - any truth in that? Any other downsides to breeding a pet dog? Also, how would I go about finding another owner who wanted to breed their Beagle with ours? Thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Have a look through here Jake http://www.breedadog.com normally there is either a stud fee or pick of litter, I think Chris Wilson might be a good person to ask about breeding. We are looking into breeding off our dogue de bordeaux bitch this year if she is ok after her operation:( good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Hi Jake We bred Shadow (our Weimaraner) a few years ago and got a stud fee from the owners of the bitch. I must admit that they came and sought him out due to the fact that they were local, and friendly with the breeder of our first Weimaraner (a complicated relationship, don't worry about it ) Anyway, we got a stud fee as I vowed I'd never have 2 dogs again, after having previous had 2 for 10 years It didn't change his personality and he produced 10 lovely puppies. TBH the owners of the bitches are normally quite choosy about who their bitches are mated with, whereas the (male) dogs will mate with any bitch around (sound familiar ) A proven show record is normally required to command top stud fees, or pick of litter, although you may get lucky if you find an owner, with a bitch, in a similar position to you. (usually doggie style ) I've got to say though, I wouldn't necessarily want to be a party to producing puppies just for the sake of it, and especially getting involved with inexperienced owners of a bitch that think letting their bitch have puppies is the road to riches ( its not ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Hi Jake TBH the owners of the bitches are normally quite choosy about who their bitches are mated with, whereas the (male) dogs will mate with any bitch around (sound familiar ) Too right, a full 5 generation pedigree is a must in our case as ours does not have any gaps in it , I would want to get to know the dog and a bit about it's owners too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 Thanks Nick and Geoff, very interesting. Harry's got the full 5 Gen pedigree but hasn't been shown. I'll have a read of breedadog.com this afternoon. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 "Dog Breeding" Have a night-out in Leicester and you may get lucky Jake. Just make sure you have all you vaccination jabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 You need a male dog and a female dog then I think you have to buy them drinks or something first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 We breed and show Staffordshire Bull Terriers. You can either stud your dog out and ask for a stud fee (£200 I ask) or stud him and ask for pick of the litter. I have bred two litters this year with both my bitches and it aint easy money trust me! Personally i would have the stud fee as i would'nt want pick of the litter unless the bitch my dog mated was doing really well showing etc and was a good dog with good lines (pedigree) then i maybe would have pick of the litter then if the pup didnt turn out right e.g teeth coming through incorreclty, poor top line etc etc then i would rehome it as a pet. As to saying that the dog may get aggresive then it all depends on how often he is getting studded out. A lady I no studs her red stafford out about 4 to 5 times a month and he isnt aggresive just hyper and always wants a shag when he sees a bitch!! P.S I would never stud my dog out to a bitch that is not KC REG but that's your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 I have bred two litters this year with both my bitches and it aint easy money trust me! I didn't suppose it was. I don't have, or want, a bitch though Personally i would have the stud fee as i would'nt want pick of the litter unless the bitch my dog mated was doing really well showing etc and was a good dog with good lines (pedigree) then i maybe would have pick of the litter then if the pup didnt turn out right e.g teeth coming through incorreclty, poor top line etc etc then i would rehome it as a pet.I want it for a pet anyway but I'd like a good looking one. A lot of Beagles aren't very good looking, in my opinion. P.S I would never stud my dog out to a bitch that is not KC REG but that's your choice.Does Kennel Club registered just mean that the bitch has a full 5 gen pedigree, or is there something more to it? I'm only interested in mating him with another proper pedigree dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 suprised no ones started bitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Pick of the litter is often used in lieu of a stud fee, but it's negotiable with the owner of the other dog, you need to agree what happens if the bitch doesn't become pregnant. It's custom for the bitch to be brought to the dog for mating. You need to check neither your dog, nor the bitch has a KC pedigree marked "Proginy not for registration". This would mean the pups could neither be shown at a KC organised show, nor could the pups have a KC pedigree. It's unlikely to be the case with a beagle, but some of th rare breeds have owner / breeders having this limitaion added to pedigrees to stop others breeding... Whether a mated male will become more agressive is debateable, probably not with a Beagle, but the more aggressive breeds can become dominant, and in some vcases very aggressive to other intact males. If this does occur the dog will never live in close association with another intact male, and it can be very trying and space consuming keeping even 2 dogs apart. We have a Russian Black Terrier and a Bouvier who are intact, and they hate the sight of each other, a single absent minded slip results in a very serious fight, so they can be a PITA. Good luck, it's a fantastic feeling having a successful litter, for the first time. I am no expert, but have quite a lot of firsthand knowledge, and know a couple of professional breeders I can ask questions of. As an aside if anyone is going to Crufts this March my wife and I have our young bitch Anatolian Karabash on the "Discover Dogs" stand where people can come and see all the various and often rare breeds first hand, and talk to their owners and breeders. We are there on the Saturday, come and say hello! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Does Kennel Club registered just mean that the bitch has a full 5 gen pedigree, or is there something more to it? I'm only interested in mating him with another proper pedigree dog. No as you can go back to a 10 generation pedigree. A pedigree dog (KC Registered) basically means it is a pure pedigree of the breed and has come from 2 parents who are also pedigree's and not crossed with anything. I usually find that pups or dogs that come with KC papers have been bred to the Kennel Club standards and are (usually) better quality than dogs/pups that have no papers and are not KC Reg. That's basically it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 As an aside if anyone is going to Crufts this March my wife and I have our young bitch Anatolian Karabash on the "Discover Dogs" stand where people can come and see all the various and often rare breeds first hand, and talk to their owners and breeders. We are there on the Saturday, come and say hello! We most certainly will if we're there Chris, Angela wanted to go last year but we couldn't make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 If you look at the 5 gen certificate for your dog from the KC the names of the dogs highlighted in red are also recognised show winners, our bitch has two in her bloodline. Some more good news for her breed as well is they were taken off the import register with effect from Jan 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Pick of the litter is often used in lieu of a stud fee, but it's negotiable with the owner of the other dog, you need to agree what happens if the bitch doesn't become pregnant. It's custom for the bitch to be brought to the dog for mating. You need to check neither your dog, nor the bitch has a KC pedigree marked "Proginy not for registration". This would mean the pups could neither be shown at a KC organised show, nor could the pups have a KC pedigree. It's unlikely to be the case with a beagle, but some of th rare breeds have owner / breeders having this limitaion added to pedigrees to stop others breeding... Whether a mated male will become more agressive is debateable, probably not with a Beagle, but the more aggressive breeds can become dominant, and in some vcases very aggressive to other intact males. If this does occur the dog will never live in close association with another intact male, and it can be very trying and space consuming keeping even 2 dogs apart. We have a Russian Black Terrier and a Bouvier who are intact, and they hate the sight of each other, a single absent minded slip results in a very serious fight, so they can be a PITA. Good luck, it's a fantastic feeling having a successful litter, for the first time. I am no expert, but have quite a lot of firsthand knowledge, and know a couple of professional breeders I can ask questions of. As an aside if anyone is going to Crufts this March my wife and I have our young bitch Anatolian Karabash on the "Discover Dogs" stand where people can come and see all the various and often rare breeds first hand, and talk to their owners and breeders. We are there on the Saturday, come and say hello! We had our bitch at Crufts last year she was in 2 classes. Its a great day, we will be going this year too but not entering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 We had our bitch at Crufts last year she was in 2 classes. Its a great day, we will be going this year too but not entering. Wea ren't showing, just representing the breed at Discosver Dogs, as she's young enough to be all people and (most) dogs friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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