Ibrar Jabbar Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Homer, I can understand how frustrated you must be feeling right now as I had similar issues with my emanage. It's a good job we have got guys like Alex, IanC, bondango etc here to help out and offer support and advice when things don't work out. Stick with it, you'll have it sussed sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 Can you do the same test with the EMB connected? Zero the map so it makes no corrections (you can select all if you hold down shift ). Then you can datalog the issue...see what the thing is doing and remember you need all the datalogging options turned on. Thanks again Alex, I'll refit the emanage tomorrow and do just that. Try checking the output voltage of the MAP sensor, other than that it sounds like it could be an injector driver problem. Sorry mate, I'm a bit new to all this, how would I do that? I bought a multimeter the other day so presume that will do the job? Homer, I can understand how frustrated you must be feeling right now as I had similar issues with my emanage. It's a good job we have got guys like Alex, IanC, bondango etc here to help out and offer support and advice when things don't work out. Stick with it, you'll have it sussed sooner or later. Yep, frustrating is the right word! I really need my car working by the weekend as I want to spend Xmas with the family, otherwise its a cold and lonely Xmas Alex, Ian and everyone else have been superb help, I'd be completely lost without them (and probably facing a huge garage bill). I hope to be able to repay them at some point in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondango Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Sorry this is still causing problems man. Im with Alex's suggestion, go with the emanage again and do a datalog. With all the options checked you will be able to monitor the map sensor voltage aswell - save you mucking about with a voltmeter :-). Stick with it matey, you'll get there in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeT Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Daryll, have you just temporarily installed the inlet manifold? What i'm getting at is there is an earth connection to that inlet manifold and if it isn't connected you will not get enough power to the injectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 Daryll, have you just temporarily installed the inlet manifold? What i'm getting at is there is an earth connection to that inlet manifold and if it isn't connected you will not get enough power to the injectors I did a full install of the manifold. The earth was never disconnected as it wasn't necessary for removing the manifold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 So, just on an off-question Homer, is the EManage Ultimate a bit of a nightmare to get up and running? I was thinking about using this with some 650 injectors as I'm running hybrids at present on stock 440's, only at low boost though and Chris Wilson says they seem to be fine. Already uprated the fuel pump in 2004. Any other advice on what I might need would be appreciated buddy! Sorry, I know jack-shit about your very compex, not surely not unsolvable problem! Good luck buddy. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 He is running a blue emanage, not ultimate, and in general the emanage is pretty simple to install and set up, if you have reasonable understanding of electronic engine control, and can understand vehicle wiring, if not leave it to someone who does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Yeah - we don't think the issue in the EMB here...it seems to be a problem with the install, most installs need a little bug fixing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Thanks guys Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share Posted December 28, 2006 Can you do the same test with the EMB connected? Zero the map so it makes no corrections (you can select all if you hold down shift ). Then you can datalog the issue...see what the thing is doing and remember you need all the datalogging options turned on. Finally got chance to do this. It appears to run the same where the emanage is installed or not. It idles pretty good and runs smoothly provided rpm's are static, but has a misfire whenever the revs are changed. The log file(s) are attached, You can see things go a little mad when the throttle is changed. Hopefully they make some sense to you!emanage log.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 If I had to guess...before I look at the logs...I'd plum for a cam/crank/throttle sensor problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondango Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Finally got chance to do this. It appears to run the same where the emanage is installed or not. It idles pretty good and runs smoothly provided rpm's are static, but has a misfire whenever the revs are changed. The log file(s) are attached, You can see things go a little mad when the throttle is changed. Hopefully they make some sense to you! Will have a juke at these later too, but have you checked for fault codes? just incase it is as Alex says its Cam/Crank sensor problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share Posted December 28, 2006 Cheers guys, will be interested to see what you think The fault code process doesn't appear to work, the MIL light stays lit contantly. The battery has been on and off numerous timnes today though so perhaps nothing is stored... The crank sensor hasn't been touched since the turbo install but is firmly connected. I didn't remove the cam sensors. They're both VERY firmly secured though, I can't even remove the plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondango Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Homer as the Car is behaving exactly as it did without the emanage installed i guess we can rule anything with that out i.e. map or unit. Find it strnage the CEL isnt giving a code or just flashing steady, by anyway.. I'm going to hazzed a guess at some wiring, particularily the ones regarding ignition rhar have bullet connections on them. Im not a fan of these connections no matter how well somebody has put them on - including myself as i've had problems in the past using the connections - i aways solder and shrink wrap anything now. Is it possible to remove them and solder the wires up with shrink connections? i know its a bit of a bitch, but at his stage you really do want to eliminate any possible problem areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Wouldn't he better just using a multimeter to check them first...should be able to find out which ones arn't passing a voltage properly. Basically you need to double check any wires you're tampered with and any that you could have disturbed...like a turbo timer etc. An electrical signal isn't getting through. Testing the wiring is your only way fwd...though I don't think you should change your mind about using proper plugs to make the eManage removable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Homer as the Car is behaving exactly as it did without the emanage installed i guess we can rule anything with that out i.e. map or unit. Find it strnage the CEL isnt giving a code or just flashing steady, by anyway.. I'm going to hazzed a guess at some wiring, particularily the ones regarding ignition rhar have bullet connections on them. Im not a fan of these connections no matter how well somebody has put them on - including myself as i've had problems in the past using the connections - i aways solder and shrink wrap anything now. Is it possible to remove them and solder the wires up with shrink connections? i know its a bit of a bitch, but at his stage you really do want to eliminate any possible problem areas. The thing is, the problem continues with the emanage and fields harness removed (i.e no butt connectors). There's no turbo timer or anything else wired into the ECU. I did have a THOR VFCC in there but removed that and soldered the connections back to stock (I've checked these couple of times and they are secure). Wouldn't he better just using a multimeter to check them first...should be able to find out which ones arn't passing a voltage properly. Basically you need to double check any wires you're tampered with and any that you could have disturbed...like a turbo timer etc. An electrical signal isn't getting through. Testing the wiring is your only way fwd...though I don't think you should change your mind about using proper plugs to make the eManage removable. Do you mean testing the stock wiring harness? I wouldn't know where to begin! I'll have a read through the manual this evening and see if there's any check I do with the multimeter on the cam and crank sensors and wiring... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 There's only so many things that can make it go haywire like this... Temp sensors. Postition Sensors. Earths. These would be what I'd test first. Check the wiring of the field harness first, on it's own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Just bringing this one back to top as I thought Alex and Ian might like to know the cause. You won't be surprised to learn it was my poor workmanship! Just had a call from Mark at Phoenix, he found two issues: 1) The injector insulators inside the rail were all pretty perished and weren't insulating properly 2) The insulator on No4 came out very misshapen so looks like it had slipped when I installed it Mark's reinstalled number 4 injector and says it purrs like a kitten now. He's going to put the fields harness in on Monday with the 'zeroed' map, if that all works out then the big injectors go in Thanks once again for all your help guys, I owe you a beverage or two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Glad to hear you are getting it sorted dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Glad to hear you are getting it sorted dude. Thanks mate Actually, *I'm* not sorting anything, I'm paying someone else too. Its sooo much easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ian C Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 That's good to hear matey -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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