WTF - police dont respond to 3 999 calls!

[Fifty]

So Rich mate, let me get this straight in my head: Members of the Supe forum kick the living daylights out of everyone in Portsmouth, causing anarchy and even more pressure on the police.

 

With the above in mind, what about the other equivalent guy to your son that needs the help of the police when we are 'GBH'ing the local population. It seems as if this is swings and roundabouts mucka!!

 

Tell him to buy a car and do it up to the extreme where he can't afford to go out as he's paying for all of the mods! He's at uni so he's going to have regular woman and beer is cheap in uni bars so he's got everything he wants really mucka!

 

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sorry dont get your point

 

Rich

[Kranz]

I don't think the public expects too much at all. We expect to be able to live in a safe environment where the laws of the country are upheld. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

OK it's £0.36 per day, but exactly what %age of households call out the police each day? I imagine it to be a very small amount. How many households are in the borough that you work in? Say 50,000? (a complete guess) then that's £18000 a day!! On your shift you say you have 30 calls, and say you have an equal number of emergency calls, that's £300 a call.....

 

Ok. Take my area. 25870 households. Approx 14477 of those are paying full council tax, the rest are old or not wanting to be employed.

 

The ones that pay council tax, pay 32p a day for Police for a band D house.

 

That makes £4632 a day for 24 hours = £193 an hour

 

I cost £12 an hour plus overheads, so about £20??? (less than a spotty YTS mechanic ). My Sgt costs more, say £30. The Inspector costs more still, but covers our area and more.... so lets say 4 hours a day at £40 an hour?? We're down to £186 an hour...

 

Take the Sgt out of the equation = £156 an hour. That means there is budget for 7.8 PCs.

 

What we're not factoring into the equation is all the support services, specialist services (CID, custody centres, helicopter, police dogs, underwater search unit, firearms units, traffic units, special branch, child protection unit blah blah blah) facilities, equipment (vehicles, personal issue kit), infrastructure, sick pay, civilian staff etc etc etc

 

So we normally have 6 PCs on duty. That leaves £36 an hour for all the above extras for our area??

 

Can't be done. That's why my division is £250,000 over budget

 

Now if we relate that to the cost per emergency call there could be as few as 10 emergency calls, or as many as 60. To be honest its not a fair comparison as crystal balls don't work so predicting the number of staff required each day is a little difficult. That's why we work on a minimum staffing level. Ideally we should have 1 Sgt and 6 PCs. Sometimes we have just 2 PCs though!

 

And is not all about emergency response. I'd suggest that's about 20% of the time spent at work. The rest is dealing with prisoners from the emergency calls, follow up enquiries, PAPERWORK (normally in duplicate), taking jobs off the queue (there are normally 4 times more non-emergency jobs than emergency jobs), RTC's etc etc. And if there is any time to be proactive, then there is high visibility patrol, actuall getting out and catching people at it rather than just responding to calls.

 

If people don't think they are getting value for money, and think they are paying too much, look into how much a private security firm would cost in an anarchy state like some parts of South Africa??

 

I'll get off my now

[Class One]

I don't think the public expects too much at all. We expect to be able to live in a safe environment where the laws of the country are upheld. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

OK it's £0.36 per day, but exactly what %age of households call out the police each day? I imagine it to be a very small amount. How many households are in the borough that you work in? Say 50,000? (a complete guess) then that's £18000 a day!! On your shift you say you have 30 calls, and say you have an equal number of emergency calls, that's £300 a call.....

 

 

 

Run that by me again mate??? You should have 50 people per shift? OK some people are going to be ill, so say 45 turn up to work. 11 people doing the inside jobs, (How come the inside posts come out of the 200 24 hour response officers and not the remaining 300 that are doing something else?) that in my book leaves 34 people outside "on the beat" so to speak. I don't understand how a target strength of 33 total (If I'm reading this right) can be, or is acceptable?

 

 

Tony think you've slightly misunderstood me, but I'm misunderstood easily. For a start we don't deal with 30 calls per shift, be we usually start with 30 or so outstanding calls handed over from the previous shift. Then we will probably get something like a further 200-300 calls on top of that of which about 40-60% will be emergency graded.

 

As for the "why don't the other people not working on the response tems do the inside jobs?" well that's one of the greatest mysteries of our time and is unlikely to be answered this millenium.

 

Admittedly, funding in London is a bit different than everywhere else because of different responsiblities, but for the council tax payer its about the same. If only it could be so easily broken down as cost per call, but its not.Wages, estate upkeep, vehcile maintence, criminal justice, prisoner processing,IT blah blah blah all come out of the budget.

 

And granted, yes the same old same old addresses keep popping up, but they really do account for a small percentage of calls that come in.

[boombastictiger]

Personally I believe in an eye for and eye, You hit my car I HIT U...simple as, you kill someone on purpose , you get killed, let people fear for thier life before they commit a crime then you will see crime levels FALL

[grahamc]

Ok. Take my area. 25870 households. Approx 14477 of those are paying full council tax, the rest are old or not wanting to be employed.

 

The ones that pay council tax, pay 32p a day for Police for a band D house.

 

That makes £4632 a day for 24 hours = £193 an hour

 

I cost £12 an hour plus overheads, so about £20??? (less than a spotty YTS mechanic ). My Sgt costs more, say £30. The Inspector costs more still, but covers our area and more.... so lets say 4 hours a day at £40 an hour?? We're down to £186 an hour...

 

Take the Sgt out of the equation = £156 an hour. That means there is budget for 7.8 PCs.

 

What we're not factoring into the equation is all the support services, specialist services (CID, custody centres, helicopter, police dogs, underwater search unit, firearms units, traffic units, special branch, child protection unit blah blah blah) facilities, equipment (vehicles, personal issue kit), infrastructure, sick pay, civilian staff etc etc etc

 

So we normally have 6 PCs on duty. That leaves £36 an hour for all the above extras for our area??

 

Can't be done. That's why my division is £250,000 over budget

 

Now if we relate that to the cost per emergency call there could be as few as 10 emergency calls, or as many as 60. To be honest its not a fair comparison as crystal balls don't work so predicting the number of staff required each day is a little difficult. That's why we work on a minimum staffing level. Ideally we should have 1 Sgt and 6 PCs. Sometimes we have just 2 PCs though!

 

And is not all about emergency response. I'd suggest that's about 20% of the time spent at work. The rest is dealing with prisoners from the emergency calls, follow up enquiries, PAPERWORK (normally in duplicate), taking jobs off the queue (there are normally 4 times more non-emergency jobs than emergency jobs), RTC's etc etc. And if there is any time to be proactive, then there is high visibility patrol, actuall getting out and catching people at it rather than just responding to calls.

 

If people don't think they are getting value for money, and think they are paying too much, look into how much a private security firm would cost in an anarchy state like some parts of South Africa??

 

I'll get off my now

 

R150 per month for full armed response!! Guaranteed to responsed in liess than 5 minutes.

 

Armed patrols 24hrs per day, emergency buttons throughout the house, included wireless remotes on keychains.

 

Well thats what I was paying 2 years ago, so that equates to about £10...

 

And yes have had them out a few times, once I had them knocking on the door because the side gate was open (had garden services in the garden...), second time we actually pressed the button for something outside. first guy arrived in about 1 minute 30, 2nd car (2 more people) 15 seconds later.

 

EDIT - Also dont appreciate the "anarchy state" comment. When last were you in South Africa, as a matter of interest?

[Guest Geneb]

take it back to the old days when the copper smacked ya one and u were too scared to tell ya mum cus she would smack ya for getting smacked:d

[grahamc]

take it back to the old days when the copper smacked ya one and u were too scared to tell ya mum cus she would smack ya for getting smacked:d

 

the good old days...

[Kittyclaws]

I had my car broken into caught the shit and promptly introduced him to the "Welcome" stick by the front door and sat on him whilst HID called the old bill.

 

They arrived the scrot shouted assult and I was arrested before him WTF, I was simply restraining the guy. ok he was losing claret but still.

 

I was released 2 hours later wothout charge but come I was potecting my property and misses.

 

You made a mistake mate you called the police

 

Yes, Big mistake that

 

what you should of done is tie the twat up bung him in the boot and go dump him in a field somewhere at tell him to make his way home

 

Or better still. Take his boots and socks off and bash f#ck out of the soles of his feet (It doesn't bruise) or learn where the best pressure points are that cause the most pain

[Terminator]

A few years ago, I was in a position where I had regular official contact with the head of the force in my part of the world. If the public had known the actual number of officers on duty to cover the whole of Cambridgeshire, there would have been a riot. One of the big concerns was that some of the local mob, knew that they could get the majority of the force to pile up to one end of the county to over an incident while they could take their time over a robbery at the other end of the county.

[Kip]

It's not so much that we need more constables on the beat, we do need more traffic plod and we do need to get rid of cameras, what we really need to do is get rid of the "do gooders" and untie the hands of the police who are trying damned hard to sort this shit hole out. I don't mean out right abuse I mean give them more powers and turn a cheek if someone ends up having a good hiding, and back to the old story, prisons should be a deterant not a holiday camp, a matress on the floor a stinky blanket, 4 to a cell a piece of bread for breakfast and bread and beans for supper with one half hour walk around the yard every fortnight. I'll stand down now....

[Kranz]

EDIT - Also dont appreciate the "anarchy state" comment. When last were you in South Africa, as a matter of interest?

 

Ok, my apologies. It was not my intention to upset you.

I was just trying to draw an analogy to a country that has high crime levels, which I believe SA has as I said before 'in parts'?

 

And no, I haven't been there. Just have a friend who is from SA.

[Pabs]

Personally I believe in an eye for and eye, You hit my car I HIT U...simple as, you kill someone on purpose , you get killed, let people fear for thier life before they commit a crime then you will see crime levels FALL

 

100% behind you mate! Any f***wit damages anything I own, and I damage them! This country sucks - and it seems the only way to sort it is to move abroad. I've been looking at Canada for years....

[grahamc]

Ok, my apologies. It was not my intention to upset you.

I was just trying to draw an analogy to a country that has high crime levels, which I believe SA has as I said before 'in parts'?

 

And no, I haven't been there. Just have a friend who is from SA.

 

No offence... I do just take it a little personally...

 

And yes it does have high crime levels... But at least when the cops are called, they do come....