Patrick_Devlin Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Got a Notice of intended Prosecution from the friendly folks at the Fixed Penalty Support Unit the other day. Cant recall where and when though, even though it states time place etc... Whats the best way to tackle this? I want to get the photos, but it doesnt say how you go about requesting them... Also, what would you say the most likely penalty is for this, 3 points and £60? Bloody Nazis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 I got caught for 43 in a 30 last year (zone had been reduced from a 40 and signs were hidden, I'm usually a good boy!) - I got stopped by the chappy and ended up with 3 points and £60 - I suspect you'll get the same. A friend got done for 36 in a 30 this week, same £60 and 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRACHRIS Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Anything over 49mph in a 30 and its court (6 points) but below that it will be a fixed penalty 3 points and £60 fine. i would try and get out of it though, look around the net there is lots of info and escape routes. i personally have got out of two now just for the police not following there correct proceedures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_Devlin Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Really? What procedures... please tell more. PM if necessary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outatime Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Make a pest of yourself - ask for calibration reports, photos, proof it was you driving and not a clone. If everyone did that, the system would buckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr keef Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 i got done doing 59 in a 30 and court 6 points and a 350 poond fine wohooooooooooooooooooooooooo:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissupraSZ Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 if u cant remember m8. ask for the photos, dont be a pain when u speak to them just say u honestly dont remember who was using the car that day. If its a rear snap ur in buisness(provided u arent the only user of the car) if its forward facing u need to check the pic. if its obviously u m8, dont go to court as there they can stick u with 6 points instead of 3. plus court costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_Devlin Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Gonna make a pest of myself. Should I phone them to ask for the photos? What about filling in the form saying you werent the driver but NOT signing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfman Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 I am likely to get a couple of NIPs over the next week (after going past a couple of private Gatso vans last w/e). I am going to follow the no-signing of form option and see what happens. A guy I know got away with 114 on a motorway (from a gatso) by following this route. Check out here for more info.... http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/FAQ/FAQ.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_Devlin Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Good info on that site. I think I'll send for the photos, check them out thoroughly and then proceed to send the form back, completed by someone else, unsigned. If that fails, then its Legal Aid time!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Check out pepipoo.com for advice . Don't sign ..... just fill in the details and send without a sig. There is no legal requirement for you to sign .... Which cuntstabulary area were you in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 I did 47 in a 30 zone a couple of years ago, 3 points and a 60 quid fine so you'll just get that mate. If you rear the back it states you have no right to get the pics as i was going to get these for my last 3 points, when you get the letter it tells you everything on the back, ba$tards!!!!! Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 4 points for me doing 40 in a 30. It did go to court tho coz I already had 11 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Laing I did 47 in a 30 zone a couple of years ago, 3 points and a 60 quid fine so you'll just get that mate. If you rear the back it states you have no right to get the pics as i was going to get these for my last 3 points, when you get the letter it tells you everything on the back, ba$tards!!!!! Paul I am not sure that is true Paul. If you (as was the case with Mr and Mrs Hamilton) cannot confirm who was driving the vehicle, then the only way of ascertaining the fact would be by photographic evidence. If the Police cannot provide such evidence, how can you then sign a declaration that states who the driver was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 AIUI, you don't have the right to see the photo until they're presented in court. So, you'd have to plead Not Guilty and go to court and then you would see the photos there. Daft isn't it? Some police forces will cooperate and let you see the pics prior to a court appearance but they are not obliged to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Originally posted by Jake AIUI, you don't have the right to see the photo until they're presented in court. So, you'd have to plead Not Guilty and go to court and then you would see the photos there. Daft isn't it? Some police forces will cooperate and let you see the pics prior to a court appearance but they are not obliged to. I live and learn and stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 My mate did summat similar he sent them a really nice letter stating that it was a shared car btween himself and his wife and that on that particular date he was in the country (he's in the RAF and is away alot) and so it could have been either of them. He was nothing but obliging and they dropped it as they knew that the person couldn't be identified from the photo. Sometimes being nice is a better way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_Devlin Posted May 24, 2004 Author Share Posted May 24, 2004 It was Thames Valley fuzz... I'm not going to get arsey with them, juts be a bit of a pest. The letter is designed to make you fill in the form an send it off. Its quite clever, only putting one side of the story across. Lets see what happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_Devlin Posted July 2, 2004 Author Share Posted July 2, 2004 Got a reply back for my request to see the photos... well, they didnt say "no you cant see the photos", they just said "fill in the form". Gits. I think I'll just write back to them and say that either one of us could have been driving the car that day... Do I have to return an unsigned form also with the letter that I'm gonna write? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRex Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Patrick I got a NIP for 95 in a 60, I filled in the form and said I was driving. The next letter I received was my court summons and a photo showing the offence. it was from the back of the car so I could not be identified, but I had already filled the form in You have two options, speak to a experienced brief and see about getting out of it (my brief said I shouldn't have filled the initial form in and just given it to him and he would have sorted it) Option Two, avoid the hassle and pay the 60 notes If you go to court it totally out of your hands what you get, I got bent over as soon as they saw a picture of a sports car, and a young lad in front of them Just my 2p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRACHRIS Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 I got done doing 54 in a 30 which got me 6 and 180 quid fine , but i called up before and they sent me the photo no probs at all, and what a decent picture as well, no getting out of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxygene Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hmmm makes me wonder if I will get one as well.... I was travelling down the A3 a couple of days ago, racing a scooby and spotted a poilce van on a bridge, no police on the road or anything......we both slowed down.... Road Angel didnt go off, so no laser was detected. Could have been SPECS though!! Any ideas guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_Devlin Posted July 2, 2004 Author Share Posted July 2, 2004 Originally posted by SUPRACHRIS I got done doing 54 in a 30 which got me 6 and 180 quid fine , but i called up before and they sent me the photo no probs at all, and what a decent picture as well, no getting out of that D'Oh!!! Oxy, not sure if they have mobile spec or not! They might have just been stuffing their faces with doughnuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Dude did you receive the original letter more than 16 days after the speeding "offence",if its more than 16 days then the NIP is not valid.I would suggest a letter like this : Dear Officer ******, CVVVVVVVV - Notice of Intended Prosecution I received your letter dated *********, the references for which are detailed above. I have enclosed a copy of the Notice sent to me recently, for ease of cross-reference. You have written to me because I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle mentioned in your Notice. My address is correct as per the details at DVLC, and the vehicle was not a Company car, and was neither hired nor borrowed. No Officer spoke to me at the time of the alleged offence, and no accident took place. Also, no Police person has spoken with me at or near the time and place detailed in your Notice. The written Notice is the first indication from you of any intention to prosecute. Your Notice details the alleged offence as VV:VVhrs on *********. The Notice is dated ********, and it came to me by post, received on ********. At the time of opening the mail item from you, I signed and dated the Notice in a space at the top of the page. Including the day of the alleged offence, this was **th day from the date detailed in your Notice. Following discussions with my solicitor, please note that the Notice cannot be acted upon as it is time-expired. For this Notice to have been valid, it ought to have been with me within 14 days of the alleged offence. It was suggested I write back to you immediately with these comments. Yours sincerely Patrick Devlin Registered Keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_Devlin Posted July 2, 2004 Author Share Posted July 2, 2004 Nah... unfortunately the original notice was within the period. I wrote to them asking for the photos, but they've just written back and said get on with filling the form in. I've got an appointment with a solicitor next monday, so I might be able to get them to fill the form in for me, and return it unsigned along with a letter stating that I cannot remember who was driving at the time, it could have been me or Susie! Hopefully, unless the photos prove otherwise they may well drop it. I think it was a mobile camera. The site where it says it was taken is not a fixed site, but it is on the list of camera sites... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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