Rich Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 has anybody got one of these fitted? what kind of boost can you run with it?what boost pressure have you set it at to fire in the meth? How was it to map? Any safety measures installed eg. pump failure,meth tank running out etc. any advice or experiences would be very helpful thanks, Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 By meth I take it you mean methanol and not methamphet??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 By meth I take it you mean methanol and not methamphet??? yes methanol:search: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Have you got a linky??? Wouldn't mind seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 Have you got a linky??? Wouldn't mind seeing it. have no link but a guy on supraforums is selling this kit which he put together,I have also been told that Arnout (suprasNL)can get hold of these kits too.Supposed to be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 have no link but a guy on supraforums is selling this kit which he put together,I have also been told that Arnout (suprasNL)can get hold of these kits too.Supposed to be very good. Yes he can. I saw some on his shelf when I sold him my MK3. I've spoken to him about the merits of this but its above my head. He can however use it to tune your system with more boost apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Yes he can. I saw some on his shelf when I sold him my MK3. I've spoken to him about the merits of this but its above my head. He can however use it to tune your system with more boost apparently. yeah ,I have been told that you can run 2.0 bar on single kits with no det.Apparently the octane level with the meth is upped to a similar figure to race fuel.Dont know how true this info is though as it is just hear say from another member? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 arnout's fitting a methanol injection system to my vvti tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 yeah ,I have been told that you can run 2.0 bar on single kits with no det.Apparently the octane level with the meth is upped to a similar figure to race fuel.Dont know how true this info is though as it is just hear say from another member? we need somebody with experience of using and tuning with this kit to shed some light(ahem ......Arnout?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 arnout's fitting a methanol injection system to my vvti tomorrow did he say what kind of boost levels you can run with the meth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Well I ran water meths on my last car and on hot days it would backfire nastily and felt rough if the water ever ran out. That was on stock tubbies and 1.2 bar. It was putting out more power than some cars with hybrids though. Water meths injection basically lowers intake charge temperature and for that alone its worth its weight. It can also alter the AFR a little but how much I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Ah thats your car in arnouts shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 did he say what kind of boost levels you can run with the meth? Dimitri's gonna tune it, but with the 74 and a stock bottom end he's planning on 1.7 bar with methanol, think he said a 1% mix after 1.2 bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dimitri's gonna tune it, but with the 74 and a stock bottom end he's planning on 1.7 bar with methanol, think he said a 1% mix after 1.2 bar ahh right,will give him a ring next week and see what he suggests for stock bottom end with my T78. might be pushing it at 2 bar:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Will it be ready for chrimbo??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Ah thats your car in arnouts shop The gunmetal one yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Will it be ready for chrimbo??? I'm fooked if it isnt! lol Should be though. Arnout says boost isn't the only thing, you can run a lot more timing with methanol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 I'm fooked if it isnt! lol Should be though. Arnout says boost isn't the only thing, you can run a lot more timing with methanol "its the future I tell ya" even better than garlic bread:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 ..any advice or experiences would be very helpful.. I run a setup that is similar to Anarkey's kits. Depending on how you implement and configure it, you can hit boost and performance levels that are impossible otherwise. 98 or 99RON fuel can be pushed to semi-racefuel levels, and the intercooler can be made almost redundant (no need whatsoever for a FMIC) And no, you don't want the bottle to run dry during full boost. It won't necessarily self-destruct in milliseconds (it happened to me but I caught it early) but best is not push one's luck. Before you commit yourself, make sure you find a good source for pure meth. The UK market can be an awkward place for such substances. It is very addictive stuff, since you can push the turbo(s) way beyond the traditional levels. I've always got a couple of spare gallons in my shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I have a kit which is not yet installed and have always been advised that you should not map to suite the meth/water but just have it as an extra safety guard for example on trackdays with prolonged high engine speeds. Unless you can build in an automatic safety switch you could damage your engine if the kit ran dry. Now if you do have such safety guards in place and did map to it you can increase boost as the meth acts like an octane booster and the water as already stated cools the charge temps. Depending how much you inject you can even start to pull some fuel out of the maps when the water/meth is being injected. You can also dial in more ignition which will give you more power/torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 I run a setup that is similar to Anarkey's kits. Depending on how you implement and configure it, you can hit boost and performance levels that are impossible otherwise. 98 or 99RON fuel can be pushed to semi-racefuel levels, and the intercooler can be made almost redundant (no need whatsoever for a FMIC) And no, you don't want the bottle to run dry during full boost. It won't necessarily self-destruct in milliseconds (it happened to me but I caught it early) but best is not push one's luck. Before you commit yourself, make sure you find a good source for pure meth. The UK market can be an awkward place for such substances. It is very addictive stuff, since you can push the turbo(s) way beyond the traditional levels. I've always got a couple of spare gallons in my shed. what safetys are have you installed? I was thinking some kind of float switch for the tank and some kind of warning for pump failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 I run a setup that is similar to Anarkey's kits. Depending on how you implement and configure it, you can hit boost and performance levels that are impossible otherwise. 98 or 99RON fuel can be pushed to semi-racefuel levels, and the intercooler can be made almost redundant (no need whatsoever for a FMIC) And no, you don't want the bottle to run dry during full boost. It won't necessarily self-destruct in milliseconds (it happened to me but I caught it early) but best is not push one's luck. Before you commit yourself, make sure you find a good source for pure meth. The UK market can be an awkward place for such substances. It is very addictive stuff, since you can push the turbo(s) way beyond the traditional levels. I've always got a couple of spare gallons in my shed. If you dont mind me asking,who is your supplier? how much is it per litre? do they deliver? How much do you go through (roughly )if you are driving on boost all the time? Do you run a mix with water or is it pure meth? cheers Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 If you dont mind me asking,who is your supplier? You don't necessarily need a supplier, the parts can be bought out in the market. Shurflo pumps are everywhere. pipes and bits you can get from Aquamist. how much is it per litre? About £1/litre I've paid up to now, who knows what the future holds do they deliver? No, I get it from a RemoteControl toystore, do NOT tell them it is to be used as fuel in a car. This legality is important. Obviously do not settle for pre-mixed stuff. You don't want 2T oil in there. Also verify that your pump seals are happy to operate long-term with whatever meth concentration you'll be using. How much do you go through (roughly )if you are driving on boost all the time? About 1/2 to 1 litre after a spirited dash. (1 - 2 minutes of full boost, added together) It's five seconds here and five seconds there, speeds get very silly, very fast. Do you run a mix with water or is it pure meth? It depends on your setup and what your aims are. I've tried all possible combinations and mixes. Currently I run 40-50% meth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 You don't necessarily need a supplier, the parts can be bought out in the market. Shurflo pumps are everywhere. pipes and bits you can get from Aquamist. About £1/litre I've paid up to now, who knows what the future holds No, I get it from a RemoteControl toystore, do NOT tell them it is to be used as fuel in a car. This legality is important. Obviously do not settle for pre-mixed stuff. You don't want 2T oil in there. Also verify that your pump seals are happy to operate long-term with whatever meth concentration you'll be using. About 1/2 to 1 litre after a spirited dash. (1 - 2 minutes of full boost, added together) It's five seconds here and five seconds there, speeds get very silly, very fast. It depends on your setup and what your aims are. I've tried all possible combinations and mixes. Currently I run 40-50% meth. great thanks for the info,will look in the store I get my fuel for my nitro car from.sounds like its very addictive and effective stuff if set up properly:thumbs: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 sounds like its very addictive Addictive in the same way turbocharging is addictive. Once you feel boost - that's it. No going back to the equivalent high-revving n/a engines. When I first rode a turbo bike I was hooked within the first trip of the boost gauge. Love at first sight. .. and effective stuff if set up properly:thumbs: Yes. The mix has to be right, the routing has to be right, the injection points have to be right, the timing has to be right, the injected volume (or pulsing) has to be right, the distribution has to be right, the materials have to be right, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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