wkdtime Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Blimey! Is this thread still going ? Figured you lot would've got bored ... after Title .. .... Round 20! Yup, we have a self confessed BNP supporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 um.. am i the only one seeing you own yourself there? if your mother is half jewish - chances are your not 11th century 'british' - your the byproduct of immigration. tbourner - i've quoted myself - i'm keen on what you have to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Yup, we have a self confessed BNP supporter. I read that. Was curious why Imi - didn't bring that up. Was funny what someone said about - they're both in the same boat and Tb's the captain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Yup, we have a self confessed BNP supporter. funny thing is - he's not british himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I read that. Was curious why Imi - didn't bring that up. Was funny what someone said about - they're both in the same boat and Tb's the captain! think he had too many other fires to fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 So, nice pics then eh? Perhaps this one is a bit more on-topic (look closely - I couldn't see it but Amanda and the camera could..) http://www2.css-networks.com/venezia/IMG_0427.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Check out the size of the Pizza! This was a family sized one. Only 9 EURO! [qimg]http://www2.css-networks.com/venezia/IMG_0337.JPG[/qimg] [qimg]http://www2.css-networks.com/venezia/IMG_0339.JPG[/qimg] has she got a sister? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 my mum's an alcoholic who made 70% of my young life a misery with mood swings and illogical reasoning. You can't blame her for being female! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 You can't blame her for being female! is that sexist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 You can't blame her for being female! I hope you forgot the smilie. tbourner - i've quoted myself - i'm keen on what you have to say I've covered this already, the main arguments against my first 'bad' post were that I'm part of the 'non-British-people' I was talking about. I said I can't actually classify British people easily in so many words, I had hoped the people of the forum would get the gist of what I meant but it's human nature to want to voice the opposing argument to something regardles of whether you agree or not (at least it's an intelligent human's nature). Basically I was giving a kind of example of the non-British people I meant. I'm British, I can't say that you have to have 3 generations behind you and be of X Y or Z religion because there'll always be British people left out. The aim of using the example of non-brits to explain my point about slack immigration was a badly chosen example and a badly worded one too!! I've admitted my fault and I thought we'd all gathered the actual point of the arguments and moved on - let's do that now shall we? Yup, we have a self confessed BNP supporter. I've also added that I don't know enough about the BNP to claim to be a supporter, and I even went back on myself and said I'm in favour of the policies that I've read and that in itself doesn't actually make me a supporter. I further explained my posts by saying I wouldn't vote for the BNP until I had all the information and in fact don't vote at all. This is getting tiresome please read all the posts before abusing me again I know it's a long thread but it'll get a hell of a lot longer if I have to write all this every page cos people have skipped ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I hope you forgot the smilie. I've covered this already, the main arguments against my first 'bad' post were that I'm part of the 'non-British-people' I was talking about. I said I can't actually classify British people easily in so many words, I had hoped the people of the forum would get the gist of what I meant but it's human nature to want to voice the opposing argument to something regardles of whether you agree or not (at least it's an intelligent human's nature). Basically I was giving a kind of example of the non-British people I meant. I'm British, I can't say that you have to have 3 generations behind you and be of X Y or Z religion because there'll always be British people left out. The aim of using the example of non-brits to explain my point about slack immigration was a badly chosen example and a badly worded one too!! I've admitted my fault and I thought we'd all gathered the actual point of the arguments and moved on - let's do that now shall we? I've also added that I don't know enough about the BNP to claim to be a supporter, and I even went back on myself and said I'm in favour of the policies that I've read and that in itself doesn't actually make me a supporter. I further explained my posts by saying I wouldn't vote for the BNP until I had all the information and in fact don't vote at all. This is getting tiresome please read all the posts before abusing me again I know it's a long thread but it'll get a hell of a lot longer if I have to write all this every page cos people have skipped ahead. fair play.. but seems to me your very confused as to where you actually stand with your views and where you actually are... your on the outside (non 'british') looking in and yet your still throwing stones.... anyhow captain good day to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 It's NOT racist mate, if it sounded racist then either you read it wrong or I wrote it wrong. Racist means hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. This is not me. I would welcome any race to visit our country, if they want to live here then by all means come here, get a job, buy a house and live with us, I don't disciminate at all because of belief or skin colour. What I don't want is for them to come here, claim benefit, rent a house from the council, and then go around claiming we're all wrong in our religious beliefs!! Taking jobs at half the pay we'd expect (because it's twice as much as they got at 'home'), and then laugh behind our backs when we get a bomb in the face. I've got to say I've got the same views as you mate and this is the sort of reaction we will get until it's too late to change things:( So many have been brainwashed into not questioning what is going on with this country and the root causes of it that they are unable to look at things any other way without coming out with ' you're racist ' . We need to start looking after our own culture in this country rather than pandering after others coming in. All IMO, just thought I'd support the minority:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 If Imi had said the above then Clarkey, Gamer, Paul and quite a few others would have been on to him like a ton of bricks (Rightly so)......Is it just me, Mike and Charlotte that are offended by Tbourner's views? I am offended by his comments too. mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasnt the only one with such extreme views. He is simply simple / straight forward enough to air them on here, others simply pussy foot around. This IS racist mate, no two ways about it. Not only have you joined IMI in his row boat, you have just been promoted to Captain. Oh well, believe what you want....personally I would appreciate exactly how you reached that conclusion. Feel free to PM me about ME - dont want it to get muddied is all the other crap on here. Would be nice if someone could highlight exactly what races you think I dislike.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I am offended by his comments too. Why? You're British, you work here and earn a living, pay your own way, you don't agree with the extremists, and you don't agree that I and everyone else non-Muslim should convert or die - what would I possibly have against you? I do think you post stuff to incite racial tension sometimes, my personal opinion that you disagree with, but that's not the point of this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I hope you forgot the smilie. I'd have hoped it was implied by the ludicrous statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I'm struggling to make any sense out of lots of posts of mixed messages. But a couple of questions. What is this 'culture' that you are trying so desperately hard to keep? When was this Britain that you are talking about like you wanted it to be, when did it change? You are only young yourself and have only seen this country for a couple of decades, I'm wondering how or what has changed for you to feel so strongly about your 'culture' being taken away. Immigration is a separate issue. I'm talking about your every day living, the places you go, the people you mix with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Not sure who said it first, but this could be taken as an abject lesson demonstrating the adage: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging! Welsh (Mostly), English (lesser), German(small amount) Jewish descent here (Pretty Cosmopolitan) - family is Church in Wales - I went to a Church school that churned me out a perfectly formed Atheist that follows science . I don't consider my views extreme and I don't normally like to force any of my values on people (I don't have many moral values to force!!). I have friends from all over the world, all colours creeds religions (although I have to be honest I don't know too many Muslims - so as with all things I am not informed about - I have no prejudice or judgment, but strongly suspect any I meet in general life will be perfectly decent human beings) in fact I hope I can call all you guys my extended friends (How sad am I?). A lot of my friends have religious and political beliefs that I think are crazy - but I still call them friends, we still go out and drink/eat/go to the cinema. I can empathise with views from all sides on this one - tbourner has every right to feel and believe in what he wants, part of living in this society is accepting others views. It's not like he is forcing them on us, you can choose to ignore him if you like - I like to hear what people think. I do believe he has put himself in a non-politically correct hole there, but his intentions were not to offend, he was just pointing out he agrees with *some* of the things that the BNP have to say, (which in all fairness is something the BNP have been working hard at; acceptance by toning down their policies and listening to the grumbling masses unhappy by the media driven deluge of *immigrant dissent* stories), but to express his opinions, so lets all be like little Fonzies As Bill and Ted say: Be excellent to one another! *time for my medicine I think* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 "Yes but immigrants that have integrated well into the host society, accepted their rules and their values as their own.credo as the muslim society seems so hell bent on doing." rules are laws? correct? and values are.... morals?? - please show me two "11th century british" people who have the same moral as each other... as for muslims being hell bent on changing the views of the real british - as for the muslim part - i doubt you'd even know the diffrence between muslim and non muslim uptill sept 11th... those views you see of extemists are just a extreamly small number of individuals the media has glorified and hailed as the representatives of ALL muslims - mate - muslims come in ALL colours, and ALL backgrounds - its not a race, its not a religion - its a way of life - i strongly urge you to read beyond the crap you see on the news and look at islam in its TRUE form - it teaches tollerence, love and peace amongst ALL mankind and mankinds dwelling. "Look to the Phillipines where grenades are thrown into christian churches and teenage church goers are shot in cold blood by muslims." granted - sectarian violence exists everywhere though - you get the idiots in every country who just want to get things done their way - sadly to them life has no value ... - having said that - you shouldnt classify ALL muslims in the phillipines as christian bashers.... "If the muslim states were so great why are people leaving them and coming here to the UK or the USA to live. Is it something to do with freedom!! " um.. maybe it has something to do with us foreign policy exterminating these people from their own land?? claiming weapons of mass destruction exist - blowing up EVERYTHING? perhaps they find it easier to join the "enemy" rather then fight em ? "yet muslim society STILL expects us to bend to their ways but will not yeild to our values" Please - explain what values you believe muslims are not yeilding to - and think carefully about this one - as the obvious answers may not get the desired effect "My family can be traced back to Germany and to the civil war of 1776 in America, I am a product of immigration" ah thats good - i'm a product of immigration too TOP POST - seems like you do a better job than me at putting your viewpoint in print form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I am offended by his comments too. mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasnt the only one with such extreme views. He is simply simple / straight forward enough to air them on here, unless others that simply pussy foot around. Crikey! Got bored swiming with the pond-life ? Incase that translation from bollocks - was aimed at me. I think I already said in an earlier post that the BNP was clearly racist. (When you read between the lines on their policies). I find TB's views odd - to say the least. But he doesn't/rarely throw the race-card in .. hence - why, I didn't go after him. It was your 4th Thread-race cards - that really annoyed me. In the past I've ignored them - but the 4th did force me to air my views. And for some reason or another ... I'm not alone that share those views ... Fancy that eh ? Can't be a co-incidence surely ?!? I would also like to add - being called a "Racist Prick" .. and then someone bodyswerving my 4 questions for justification on it. I'm still waiting for the astounding logic from that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 Why? You're British, you work here and earn a living, pay your own way, you don't agree with the extremists, and you don't agree that I and everyone else non-Muslim should convert or die - what would I possibly have against you? I do think you post stuff to incite racial tension sometimes, my personal opinion that you disagree with, but that's not the point of this discussion. TB - fair enough, perhaps you have changed your tune, the original post that I have quoted below is racist and offensive. regarding inciting racial tension: - I have quoted several recent threads in post18 that were NOT started by me although their purpose is exactly what you say. People chose to turn a blind eye to those. - As far as my posts are concerned - they are news items where the media is targeting specific sections of our society on religious / race grounds / agreesive police force - power used - so am simply voicing my discontent to discuss and see whether people on this forum believe its the right thing for the media to do or not. Edited mine too. And to answer what I didn't before: People that have been here since 11th century, descendants of Normans and various other groups such as Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Romans etc. Not the new influx of 'settlers' that have invaded largely in the last 50 years. The Head of State is a Christian monarch crowned by an Arch-bishop in a church, so Britons should be largely Christian (currently 72%). Admittedly I class myself as an athiest but I believe this is one of few 'religions' (if you can call it that) that can co-exist with others with no problem (I was chatting at length with a bloke at work yesterday who's a member of a holy brotherhood - very interesting). Other than Christian and Catholic there shouldn't be any more 'religion mixing' IMO. Basically Britain should not include people of Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism or Judaism to name a few. No other country would allow mosques to be built from old Bingo halls!!! So called 'British' Muslims are of Pakistani, Indian and Bangladeshi origin, and we are now being inundated with Somali and Middle-Eastern asylum seekers who are also Muslim. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT BRITISH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Imi, let's face it, you've started loads of posts purely with the intention of starting something this big regarding race etc. and now it's happened:d One earlier point was made regarding this and in my view also you were inciting racial tension with all those types of posts, maybe you and the BNP have alot in common eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 If there is a problem then shouldnt we discuss it....wasnt the intention of THIS thread, but yes the BNP poll that I started was to discuss their views / issues that we face in the country today. I was told that it wasnt appropriate and it was closed. you guys decided to take this thread off-topic and come after me completely ignoring the recent posts that i highlighted in post 18. the intentions of which completely baffle me and go un-noticed by you... I think disrespectful posts about someones religious beliefs / race, etc, making fun by posting cartoons about the religions, races, etc is quite offensive and unacceptable - you know who you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 We can't discuss it though as the get out of jail free card is alway used............'it's racist' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 its time like these i appreciate mjansari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 - I have quoted several recent threads in post18 that were NOT started by me although their purpose is exactly what you say. People chose to turn a blind eye to those. I take offence to the infamous "post 18" you refer to - many of the posts highlighted were posted by me with the intention of starting interesting, adult discussion on the forum, none were posted with the intention of causing racial conflict. In my world it's possible for adults with conflicting opinions to discuss them without resorting to abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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