dangerous brain Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I am mulling over quite a few options at the moment. One of the options is to buy or make a track car and use it on the nurburgring or other track near me at weekends. I can't find any info about if you can use a non-taxed, non-MOT'd, non-Insured motor on the ring, IE a dedicated track car. I have 2 supras that over the last 6 months have virtually not been used. Either of which could be turned into a track car I could trailer to and from a venue. I just resent the tax, MOT, and insurance I am paying for no reason as they are stored offroad. Anyways on topic can you run a straight up track car on the nurburgring if you trailor it to and from there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Don't see why not. And I will be taking the Aristo again this next year. Bry, look on http://www.ringhaus.com ask on there, they are a track team / hotel just out side the ring extremely good value and we are booked in for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Oh cool when next year dude? I'll put the range rover round it if thats all I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Oh cool when next year dude? I'll put the range rover round it if thats all I have Think I can trust you with the Aristo mate !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Thats if you don't succumb and sell it back so I can turn that into the track beast I want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 today is the best day matey, It's my birthday and I am so happy and in lurrrrvvvvvvvvvvvvve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Thr ring is a public road, unless hired out privately. I would guess the car would have to be road legal on public days. But i'm guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvershark44 Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 the thing is, youll need a car and a trailer to get there. These arent exaclt cheap and you could use the money to get the car insured on a limited milage policy which you will want anyway in case the damn thing gets nicked! Just my 2p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Mate I have just the car to pull a trailor with a car on it in my family car (range rover 4.6 HSE). I can't realistically put the range rover round the nurburgring. I could invest say £10k in a stunning car that sits outside my house and gets used as often as my 2 supras do ie once a month or so as no matter what car I buy the Mrs will only ever go anywhere in the range rover. Or I could fit up one of my supes as a track car, buy a trailor and sell the other one. I'm just exploring options at the mo. This option will be a little scuppered if the nurburgring is classed as a public road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 You need to be fully road legal to go on the 'Ring. Never had a problem on other tracks as long as the bike (or car I guess?) is in safe condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hmm I only thought of the ring as its the only circuit I know of near me. I'll have a looksee and try and find another circuit that is as open season as the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvershark44 Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 The Nurberg ring is not classed as a road i believe, as I know for a fact you dont have to have insurance for it. You would need special track day insurance for it if you want to insure it, but its not compulsory just advised. Tax wouldnt be a problem either, and its not like they are gunna check even if it was. All I was saying, it could just be easier to make the thing road legal and drive there. I dont believe you wil be saving a vast amount of money if any and it seems like a lot of extra hasle. Plus if you ever did want to take it out for a half an hour sunday blast you couldnt. Your just limiting yourself. Plus track days arent exactly cheap. Usually about £100 and then your gunna go through at least a tank of fuel. So if you have the money to do that. Surely you can stump up a limited miliage policy of say 2000 miles for like £500 or something dependant on your age. Plus youll have insurance on it case it gets stolen. You say you want to spend 10k on the car, so money doesnt seem too much of an issue. I think youll just be making things more difficult for yourself. The only real problem I can see is if you make the car un- road worthy with the tuning you do to it. But I doubt this will be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Check here - http://nurburgring.org.uk/beginners.html You need to be legal, including insurance, tyres and the noise limit. Type Nurburgring into google and look into Ben Lovejoy's stuff. There's loads of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 The problem is insurance mate. Living and keeping a car in Holland on UK plates means I seriously limit the amount of insurance companies that will cover the car to about 1. This makes said insurance bloody expensive and only available for "normal" motors so J-spec supras for instance are out. Importing a supra will cost me hods and hods in import duty (think yourself lucky in UK for only getting half reamed) and road tax on it is at least treble what you pay in UK so registering in Holland is not an option for a car I will rarely use. Only other option if I need a road legal car is drive back to the UK pick up car and then drive it to the circuit. One of the other reasons for me trailoring a car there and back is both the cars I have at the mo wouldn't comfortably accomodate my family to the circuit, I wouldn't go without them as weekends are precious time together. Secondarily if I smack the car on the circuit then I can still get home with all my family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebsteif Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hehe insurance is a bitch in Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I am hoping to be going to "The Ring" middle of next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 You can do proper track days at the 'ring as well as the public days. The public days are usually very busy and the track quite often gets closed for ages while they scrape another biker off the armco. I suspect the proper track days you could use a non-road legal car and they'd be loads better than public days and probably not much more expensive by the time you've done a load of laps. You really don't want to crash on a public day - they charge you for lost income if they have to close the track and for repairs to the armco, and it ain't cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Surely even on a track day your car has to be road legal, insured and the rest of it, even at the Ring.. and where can you get insured on a car thats not MOT'd and taxed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 As bobbeh says, also crash at the ring you pay the tow truck, and the damage to the circut, plus lost expenses, very expensive place to crash. It is a public toll road. You would want quite a bit of small track experience in thje given car before tackling it to be on the safe side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 25, 2006 Author Share Posted November 25, 2006 Surely even on a track day your car has to be road legal, insured and the rest of it, even at the Ring.. and where can you get insured on a car thats not MOT'd and taxed? See its the insurance is the problem. I can't get insurance in Holland on a car with a UK plate. The duty just to put a dutch plate on is ludicrous, more so when you consider the car is an EU car and already had duty levied on it when it came in from Japan. To insure a car with a UK insurance company I've only found one insurer that will give you an open green card. All other insurers only insure for european driving for 30 days at a time up to a max of 90 days a year. For my daily driver thats not a problem as I regularly bring that back to the UK. For my playing around in car thats a huge problem. The insurance company that does an open green card doesn't recognise most imports and won't touch modified and seriously whats the point of having a stock, off the insurance list motor as your play car I used Nurburgring as an example of a track thats less than 3 hours from me as I know its always open and access isn't limited to occasional track open days like other circuits. As for costs of crashing I certainly don't intend on doing so and there's costs associatted with anywhere you crash. I just mentioned the crashing aspect as trailoring a car to an event means at least you can trailor it away lol. So I guess that my question is answered, its a public road so fully road legal car is needed unless its a private track session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Bry, did you contact those people I put you in touch with. They can sort out incidentals. And I am sure if your car has insurance for the Ring you are allowed to use it. leaves self open to ridicule and proff of incorrectness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 25, 2006 Author Share Posted November 25, 2006 OK my memory is sh*te these days. Which people did you put me in touch with, what incidentals, and what the hell are you doing up allready the morning after your birthday bash??? Or are you still up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 http://www.ringhaus.com Its the hotel we stayed in at the ring. They have their own track car. So sure they can offer advice!! I'm awake cos I am excited about my trip away tonight to Edinburgh. I had a good few last night. Too many bottles of Becks if you know what I mean. you and I will be having a few biers when we go to the Ring!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 25, 2006 Author Share Posted November 25, 2006 Cheers that looks like a good site. I'll get in touch as it looks like I could make a good weekend of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvershark44 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 The problem is insurance mate. Living and keeping a car in Holland on UK plates means I seriously limit the amount of insurance companies that will cover the car to about 1. This makes said insurance bloody expensive and only available for "normal" motors so J-spec supras for instance are out. Importing a supra will cost me hods and hods in import duty (think yourself lucky in UK for only getting half reamed) and road tax on it is at least treble what you pay in UK so registering in Holland is not an option for a car I will rarely use. Only other option if I need a road legal car is drive back to the UK pick up car and then drive it to the circuit. One of the other reasons for me trailoring a car there and back is both the cars I have at the mo wouldn't comfortably accomodate my family to the circuit, I wouldn't go without them as weekends are precious time together. Secondarily if I smack the car on the circuit then I can still get home with all my family. ahh i see fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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