Homer Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 There seems to be a little bit of interest in documenting a budget single conversion using the XS power kit, so here goes This isn't a thread for technical, more of a 'project' thread so feel free to comment, ask questions or point out where I've inevitably done something dumb Firstly, a little background: After nearly 3 years of ownership and BPU its time for an upgrade. Though the car is running perfectly its now of never to go single, after being in a few single turbo cars there's just nothing on earth that compares to the power (and sound ), I've just got to have it! I was in two minds which direction to go for the conversion, there were two main contenders:- The full BL kit and install from Vortex (full cost would probably around £4.5k) or go for an XS Power kit and install from Turbofit (Probably around £2.5k). After a few weeks of hunting around I figured screw it I'll install it myself This opened the door to build a higher spec setup for the same price as the XS Power install. The XS Power turbo kits from the states are incredible value for money so decided on this as good start point. For some reason I've always liked the sound of the T67 so this formed the base for the rest of the spec. The specs: Car: 93 Jspec 6spd, 64k miles Engine: 2JZ-GTE stock bottom end, head and cams XS Power manifold XS Power wastegate XS Power downpipe & screamer pipe XS Power intake pipe Boostlogic T67dbb Boostlogic oil feed/return kit Aeroquip water feed/return kit AEM filter Greddy 3 row FMIC Plus many XS Power, Aeroquip fittings and pipes... Fuelling: Stock rail, stock feed 800cc Power Enterprise injectors (flow tested) Single walbro Aeromotive FPR -6 return line Electronics: Greddy Emanage Blue Fields harness Blitz SBC-ID III Greddy boost guage AEM afr gauge More to follow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Look forward to updates, all the best mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 One to keep an eye on, especially since this is my winter project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hope it goes well, look forward to seeing it completed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 How much difference is there between the T61 and T67 turbo's. Spooling, streetability, Max achievable power (safely), etc. etc. ??? anyone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 How much difference is there between the T61 and T67 turbo's. Spooling, streetability, Max achievable power (safely), etc. etc. ??? anyone??? Suggest you start a new thread for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Suggest you start a new thread for that one. Or hit the search button, its been done already in great detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csa Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 whats the expected output of your setup here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 The T67P .68a/r is capable of just over 600RWHP on UK pump petrol. Good luck with the build though getting the old mani off was the really tough bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 The base point for the conversion is the XS Power single kit bought from ebay (User id Xs-Power). The kit was £599 inc delivery and consisted of the following: http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/5623/forum1zd1.th.jpg http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/3441/forum2fw0.th.jpg Next, the turbo, courtesy of Terry S. This included having the elbow welded on by BL (this will cause problems later...) http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8350/forum3jw9.th.jpg BL Oil kit again from Terry S http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/3502/forum4vh7.th.jpg And a whole load of other bits I've been collecting the past few weeks. http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5349/forum5cq8.th.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Firstly well done on doing the spanner stuff yourself.......... ........whats the procedure like for getting something like this thats fully installed up and running? is it 'simply' a case of getting a mapper to come to you to put on a base map and tweek it from there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupra Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 All sounds pretty good to me, good luck mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 ........whats the procedure like for getting something like this thats fully installed up and running? is it 'simply' a case of getting a mapper to come to you to put on a base map and tweek it from there? Its pretty much the same for all if you have an open ECU. I'll cover it in more detail later, but basically once everything is installed you load a base map to the ECU, this is a rough map which is matched some basic criteria such as injector size and cams. This allows the car to be started and run off boost. Its enough to get you to the mappers or even just driving around (slowly!). Once you get to the mappers the fun can begin with a full map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 After a few weeks of hunting around I figured screw it I'll install it myself ... I found a real satisfaction of doing it myself and if you've got the stockers off which took me a good couple of hours! Then the fitting is relatively easy What’s the total cost of the project at the moment? I know i went well over budget but hey never mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Looking great! when are u expecting to have it all done by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Its pretty much the same for all if you have an open ECU. I'll cover it in more detail later, but basically once everything is installed you load a base map to the ECU, this is a rough map which is matched some basic criteria such as injector size and cams. This allows the car to be started and run off boost. Its enough to get you to the mappers or even just driving around (slowly!). Once you get to the mappers the fun can begin with a full map. thought as much.........its seems to me that this mapping lark is the last barrier to the complete DIY'er.....i know Ian C kind of learnt from scratch so i wonder if with the right bits and bobs (wideband, det cans, laptop.....?) its possible to learn this side of things too and therefore become totally selfsufficient........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 I found a real satisfaction of doing it myself and if you've got the stockers off which took me a good couple of hours! Then the fitting is relatively easy What’s the total cost of the project at the moment? I know i went well over budget but hey never mind Got to agree, though its caused skinned knuckles & untold amounts of bad language, its very satisfying to strip and build it on your own I don’t know the total cost yet but my budget was blown about 1 week ago! I expect total cost to come in under £2500. I wasted at least £100 on buying wrong fittings, parts that weren't required etc. However I should make around £600 back from selling off parts from the XS power kit and old TT stuff. Final cost should be around £1900 once its fully mapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 Looking great! when are u expecting to have it all done by? Due date is this Saturday (11th Nov) It doesn't look too likely right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra matt Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 nice work mate hope all go's well for you :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Got to agree, though its caused skinned knuckles & untold amounts of bad language, its very satisfying to strip and build it on your own I don’t know the total cost yet but my budget was blown about 1 week ago! I expect total cost to come in under £2500. I wasted at least £100 on buying wrong fittings, parts that weren't required etc. However I should make around £600 back from selling off parts from the XS power kit and old TT stuff. Final cost should be around £1900 once its fully mapped. Thats a good set up for very little money matey i spent more like double that and then some I know what you mean on the old swearing front! those last couple of manifold bolts underneath grrr! Due date is this Saturday (11th Nov) It doesn't look too likely right now! Good luck matey hope you get it done! It really is well worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 I won't be covering the strip down in detail as thats already been done in great detail by TLicense, here: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=82952 Thanks Tony for the great write up, it was a huge help Instead, just a few quick shots of the progress and some comments. Last look at the TT system: http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4785/forum6ar0.th.jpg Next drain oil and coolant, then remove the airbox and IC pipework: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6478/forum7dt2.th.jpg Now its just a case of unbolting the pipework, coolant and breather lines, then the turbo heat shield. I thought I was doing well at this stage after about 2 hours work (little did I know what was to come!): http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9153/forum8xh3.th.jpg Now its time to remove the turbos. They are secured by 3 nuts at the top and 3 from underneath. The 3 on top came loose after a lot of WD40, a 20inch breaker bar and 17stone of idiot hanging onto it. Not to bad so far... Next came the 3 nuts from underneath, they were on VERY tight and I could not move them using the 9inch spanner that fits into the gap. You cannot use a socket as there's no space. It took 6 hours (no joke) of messing around with different spanners extensions and more WD40, propane gas and eventually 2.5 foot of extension sockets to get those nuts off. Managed to bend 3x 9inch 1/2" drive bars in the process too! All that to get to this stage: http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5140/forum9dz5.th.jpg The manifold comes off next and after the last part it was a piece of cake, it came off in a couple of minutes: http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9803/forum10xi3.th.jpg Next up, the build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Good effort, looks like things are heading in the right direction now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 I may have to get my car to the same stage Darryl, thanks for the kick up the arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Looking good. I've never taken the turbos off the manifold. I always removed the whole lot in one piece. The bottom manifold nuts are a pain to get at but it can be done with a wobbly socket. Mind you, I've not done it with the engine in situ. Having the engine out of the car helps a lot! I'd also like to say how good it is that Darryl has used thumbnails linked to full sized pics. It's such a pain when you're trying to read a thread and the page keeps jumping about as full sized embedded pictures that you've already seen are slowly loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dee_rz Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 nice one homer will be following this thread all it's way, i too also done all the kit etc myself and can whole heartedly be with you on the bleeding knuckles and swearing front i used greddy and boost logic parts all through and have spent about 7k ish and still have to pay for autronic ecu 1.2k and mapping circa 2k all in with ecu.............................should have gone xs power way hope we both get some good results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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