Am I a chav if i have a shopping list?

[Jake]

I couldn't care less about the The Jap Scene, whatever that is, or The JDM Look. I have no interest in some of the horrible mods the japanese inflict on their cars.

 

Are "Dear Santa" lists of parts you don't actually have and stupidly huge rear spoilers the 'JDM look'? If so you can keep 'em.

[blitz supra]

I couldn't care less about the The Jap Scene, whatever that is, or The JDM Look. I have no interest in some of the horrible mods the japanese inflict on their cars.

 

Are "Dear Santa" lists of parts you don't actually have and stupidly huge rear spoilers the 'JDM look'? If so you can keep 'em.

 

 

 

Anyone modifiying their car and adding non standard parts have therefore created the classic JDM look.

 

Although your taste looks like it is to keep the car stylish with an agressive look and go for big power with the Single Turbo

 

fitting a larger non standard TRD Spoiler and such like and all the other Jap parts were originally for the JDM market not UK,

 

So when the market grew over here and US for example the Parts have then found there way out of Japan and gone world wide as there was huge money to be made,

 

So really anything non standard falls in to JDM territory if that is where it has originated from to begin with ....... Although over the years the US has produced tuning and styling parts for the Supe as well

 

 

I agree with you though I have seen some horrendous Bodykits and fins and such like on cars and MPV's,

 

The Japs certainly have "interesting tastes" to say the least

[Jake]

If the guy likes his graphics good luck to him and who arewe to say his car is rubbish

 

Isn't that just you trying to turn it round though? Nobody is saying his car is rubbish. He asked what folks think of shopping lists and a lot of people think they are juvenile or 'chav'.

 

Would anyone say my car was suddenly rubbish if I added a shopping list? No.

Would Gamer's? No.

Would they look better with a shopping list. Hell no.

 

If you want the true JDM look.. then have them

I think this is maybe where we disagree. People don't want 'the JDM look' or even care what the JDM look is.

 

In the UK shopping lists, especially promoting gear you don't have, are considered chav. Massive rear spoilers, especially on low powered cars, are chav.

 

But to you they're OK because they're this "JDM look".

Seems like what you call the JDM look = Jap Chav.

[Homer]

A fair an balanced post their Jake - I get the feeling you're holding back a little

 

The forum misses some more 'Dude' like input... It'd sure weed out a few of the village idiots

[GeordieSteve]

Don't remember who's car it is

[Ewen]

Don't remember who's car it is

 

I do....comes with the optional BDM sense of humour too.

[RobSheffield]

This thread had me cracking up

 

Bit of subtle (and not so) humour from Jake, cant go wrong

 

Makes me laugh when you see Corsas with HKS and Jun graphics on them and 'JDM style' Fiesta lights

[JamieP]

Yes from me... They look ok on the right car but the thing is My brother inlaw has them on the side of his Rover 214... says it all really:D

[blitz supra]

Yes from me... They look ok on the right car but the thing is My brother inlaw has them on the side of his Rover 214... says it all really:D[/quote

 

I totally agree, they have a place

 

But we are missing the point in some of this regarding "JDM"

 

Lets rewind 12 years regarding JDM cars

 

We first saw the Imprezza WRX with its graphics and huge wings, followed shortly by the Evo with its huge Spoilers etc , our demand for these cars with wild styling sporned the manufactuers to actually realise there was a market for themin the UK hence Ralliart bringing in the Evo,

Now take all the wild wings and graphics off would we have bought the Evo 1 or 2 back then , i think not because what you are left with a Proton ( do many people realise the Proton is a Evo 1 /2 lancer under licsense from Mitsubishi but without the Evo running gear of course)

 

If it looked like that no one would have bought it.. great engine or not...

 

Back in 94 when the Supra first popped its head up on the Radar all the cars to appear in the Mags were Veilside Supras again wild JDM styling, probably why many people actually think the Supra came with the Veilside,

 

If you look at all the Jap JDM cars its the wild styling that attracted people in the first place, we cannot deny that

 

Everything we put on the Supra is usually parts from the JDM market as the Supe we got had nothing on it except the Factory optional spoiler as standard.

 

Then you have the other side of the coin with JDM vehicles

 

Biggest selling MPV ever in the UK was the Lucia Estima , Bet Toyota were kicking themselves they never marketed them here,

 

Even these have Tinted windows ,bodykits , graphics,

 

 

Just seems to me some people critise others for creating or retaining a certain look but then contradic them elves by fitting certain parts themselves

 

If you don't want a JDM car then take everything off including bodykits and then you'll have a standard car,

 

 

After being involved in imports for 13 years you see what sells and what doesn't and it was these wild styled cars that people wanted,

 

 

I think we'd all agree its your car at the end of the day... and what some think is great .. others will hate

 

I just wish the word Chav wasn't used as it is not in context,

Chav look is a fashion in clothes and image.. not how a car looks.

[JamieP]

 

[blitz supra]

Isn't that just you trying to turn it round though? Nobody is saying his car is rubbish. He asked what folks think of shopping lists and a lot of people think they are juvenile or 'chav'.

 

 

 

 

Well last night the poll showed 50/50 so i think that is your opinion

 

 

 

 

 

[quote=Jake;1104684

Would anyone say my car was suddenly rubbish if I added a shopping list? No.

Would Gamer's? No.

Would they look better with a shopping list. Hell no.

 

 

 

 

[quote=Jake;1104684

I think this is maybe where we disagree. People don't want 'the JDM look' or even care what the JDM look is. [/b]

 

 

So why buy a JDM Car to begin with? if you hate it so much and why do people add all these JDM parts ?? who are all these people who don't want that look ?? are these the people who then go and buy a JDM car, an Evo , A scoobie , A body kitted Supra ??

 

Are these the same people who were in some cases 10 - 13 yrs old when all this started in the UK ? and then manage to buy and insure a Jap performance car and then critise the whole Jap scene.. just a point..

 

 

 

 

[quote=Jake;1104684

In the UK shopping lists, especially promoting gear you don't have, are considered chav. Massive rear spoilers, especially on low powered cars, are chav.

 

That is a very true statement

 

 

 

 

[quote=Jake;1104684

But to you they're OK because they're this "JDM look".

Seems like what you call the JDM look = Jap Chav.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The JDM look is not Jap chav.. that is a narrow minded opinion

I have a car that has come from the JDM market that is how they look,

 

Some good points and input though Jake, makes these discussions interesting,

[ChrisSZ]

25 = yes, 23 = no so a fairly even opinion so far. :)

 

Perhaps someone could post up a list of what is/is not considered (by most people? as 'chav' on a Supra e.g.

 

tribal graphics (yes/no)

shopping lists (yes/no)

carbon bonets (yes/no)

veilslide kit (yes/no)

non-standard rims (perhaps only specific ones are chav?) (yes/no)

non-standard spoilers (yes/no)

painted standard chin spoiler (yes/no)

etc.

 

Then. with this comprehensive guide to help us we can ensure we keep our cars un-chav'd and not risk making the purists want to sell up because we have inadvertently cheapened the Supra image :)

[Nic]

i've been doing the proper meets and involved with Jap imports now etc for 5 - 6 years

 

After being involved in imports for 13 years you see what sells and what doesn't and it was these wild styled cars that people wanted

 

[blitz supra]

I agree

 

If people don't want a chav or JDM supra just buy ( if you can find one) a bog standard one

 

That includes big exhausts everything..

 

Using this term Chav is out of context because every mod you could say is chav... dashing painting etc etc

 

At the end of the day its other people trying to bully their own personal opinions on others,

 

but anything they have on their own car or best mates car is ok ........

 

This can go on forever what is hot and what is not,

 

Can't beleive i've been drawn into this

 

I understand what the JDM look is ...

 

 

So thats it folks from me, have put in my input

 

Interesting read though

[blitz supra]

 

mmmm see what you mean

 

Not clear there

 

I've been Involved with imports for 13 years but involved in the organised meets for 5- 6 years

 

God you don't miss a trick Nic do you!!! LOL!!!!

 

Remind me of my old English Teacher

[Nic]

God you don't miss a trick Nic do you!!! LOL!!!!

 

I retain all the useless stuff and forget all the important stuff usually, I think

[blitz supra]

I retain all the useless stuff and forget all the important stuff usually, I think

 

Trouble is with threads like these and you'd probably agree they go nowhere

 

What one thinks looks great another dislikes..

 

You could say carbon bonnets are chav..

Very 70's look, People had black bonnets back then on Capris,

 

Its all about what "you" like on your car

 

Any styling kit you could say Chav..

 

Pointless debate really

 

Just enjoy your car and do what you like there will always be someone who either likes or dislikes what you have done.

 

 

I've seen some fantastic kitted cars spoilt by garish coloured interiors,

 

But spoilt in my opinion not others...

 

Think that sums it up

[Scoboblio]

If people don't want a chav or JDM supra just buy ( if you can find one) a bog standard one

 

That includes big exhausts everything..

 

Using this term Chav is out of context because every mod you could say is chav... dashing painting etc etc

 

Personally I'd disagree with this, since I haven't fitted a nurspec, bigger wheels etc to go 'JDM', but because it was necessary to improve the performance (bigger wheels for the larger brakes etc). I think that you've come against a lot of resistance to your comments because you sort of imply that anyone who makes a modification to their Supra wants to be part of this 'JDM' scene.

 

Or maybe I've misunderstood you

 

Oh and IMO it's not the modification itself that's chav it's the way it's done, ie if Gamer's car had loose, ill fitting bodywork, a DIY botched paint job and tacked on performance mods with 'max' in the title then yes it may well be chav, but it isn't

[blitz supra]

Personally I'd disagree with this, since I haven't fitted a nurspec, bigger wheels etc to go 'JDM', but because it was necessary to improve the performance (bigger wheels for the larger brakes etc). I think that you've come against a lot of resistance to your comments because you sort of imply that anyone who makes a modification to their Supra wants to be part of this 'JDM' scene.

 

Or maybe I've misunderstood you

 

Oh and IMO it's not the modification itself that's chav it's the way it's done, ie if Gamer's car had loose, ill fitting bodywork, a DIY botched paint job and tacked on performance mods with 'max' in the title then yes it may well be chav, but it isn't

 

good points,

 

But if you have a Jap import you have JDM car. the specs are to Japanese domestic market

 

Gamers car is fantastic and I am most certainly not knocking it , "real workmanship" don't get me wrong, you cannot fault that car a real testiment to hard work

 

What we are saying is

 

why are some people cars called chav yet another fully modded and kitted car isn't when basically you have done the same thing

 

All imports come from the JDM market, which is why we buy them

 

They come kitted and with all the extras, if they were the same as the UK we wouldn't bother, thats what makes them interesting...

 

Its a shame we can't bring in more of their markets cars due to Model Reports and there are some really interesting cars out there.

 

Take the Glanza, 1.3turbo Starlet, cracking little car but was only availlble in the JDM market.

we got the crappy no fun version over here

 

Again a little car with some wild bodystyling and a Turbo too

 

Now if you put a bodykit on a starlet over here you'd be accused of chaving the car

 

Hypicritical

 

 

 

The modifying scene has been around forever and will continue so .. Its just a shame this "trendy" word chav is spoiling it

[Todd]

Still confused by this jdm thing.

 

So this is cool because it's JDM

 

 

This however is not because it was a UK car?

 

http://www.infoideas.net/mr2s/Toyota_Supra_Turbo_Small.jpg

[blitz supra]

Still confused by this jdm thing.

 

So this is cool because it's JDM

 

[qimg]http://autosclasicos.espaciolatino.com/archivos/nissan-figaro01.jpg[/qimg]

 

This however is not because it was a UK car?

 

[qimg]http://www.infoideas.net/mr2s/Toyota_Supra_Turbo_Small.jpg[/qimg]

 

 

Both cool cars

 

 

But thats great mate ......... who have shown the differences

 

Std british Supra with nothing, yet JDM model will more than likely come with skirts and anything else they can possibly bolt on it, big exhausts out there are the usual favourite

 

Very rarely will you see a totally stand car,

 

Most come with Induction kits , exhaust pipes at the very least

 

 

Figarro is classic JDM retro..

 

Based on a Micra and with a Turbo

 

The Japanese do not except bland cars like we get in the UK, Hence why they all come with all the styling goodies, Turbos , Climate , ICE systems, TV's

[michael]

This however is not because it was a UK car?

 

[qimg]http://www.infoideas.net/mr2s/Toyota_Supra_Turbo_Small.jpg[/qimg]

 

That's a Euro Style Yo! model not a UK

 

*Watches JDM TV*

[Bobbeh]

The Japanese do not except bland cars like we get in the UK, Hence why they all come with all the styling goodies, Turbos , Climate , ICE systems, TV's

 

 

Sure they do... there are loads of standard looking cars from Japan. The japs also have notoriously bad style sometimes.. hence many examples of 'JDM' look totally ridiculous.

 

Its an example of a conservative culture trying to break out and show some indepenence.. and when you have companies like Autobacs selling anything you can dream of for a car I can see why many mod them.

 

Its no different really from some guy over here buying his Astra, driving down to Halfords for some new 17s and some break pads or seatbelt pads. Maybe thats MPM (Max Power Market)

[Ewen]

Blitzy..I dont have a JDM 'style' Supra. But I do have a JDM Supra. A car that was originally ordered, specced and built to suit someone within the Japanese domestic market. A totally standard Supra import from Japan is automatically 'JDM'. If you must pidgeon-hole a style of body kit or aftermarket bling or whatever, call it summat like JTS (Japanese Tuning Scene) or JMS (Japanese Moddifying Scene) 'style'. I like to think that the mods Ive done to my car are EDF style...bits and bobs that I think add something to my pleasure of ownership, not something that gives my car a particular JTS / Euro / Cali 'look'. Each to their own, some love a particular look, some go for standard, some somewhere in between....underneath it all we are driving a car that was designed and styled by a Japanese company for a worldwide market.

[Scoboblio]

I think that the problem with the JDM terminology is that it's been put on soooooo much aftermarket tat..... 'JDM' style fire extinguishers on ebay anyone? To say that such things are in the same styling category as a standard Supra seems like a bit of an insult to everyone with a subtle taste in modifying.