dude Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 29, 2004 Author Share Posted April 29, 2004 The little one has 100mm end tanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 are those pace cores by any chance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 thats going to be like a fart in a cathederal when you run boost through it isnt it? Is that going on the Supra? JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Nice, what are the dimensions? JB, IC size will make very little difference on a big-turbo car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 29, 2004 Author Share Posted April 29, 2004 Its not mine but the owner may wish to make himself known !!!!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Dimensions, dude. Dimensions!!! :moo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 29, 2004 Author Share Posted April 29, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah Dimensions, dude. Dimensions!!! :moo: Big X Big X Large 600X300X175 Dude :flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 That is considerably larger than a 4-row! (good to 1500hp+)!!! Hope it ain't going on a Supra, the owner will be in for some surprises! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 29, 2004 Author Share Posted April 29, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah That is considerably larger than a 4-row! (good to 1500hp+)!!! Hope it ain't going on a Supra, the owner will be in for some surprises! Depends what supra is running Syed , it will be COMPLETLY different i can asure you !!!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah Nice, what are the dimensions? JB, IC size will make very little difference on a big-turbo car. you still have to push enough air in to it to get the pressure up surely? Its like blowing up a crisp packet compared to a bin bag, 1.5bar of pressure in a crisp packed is a mere breeze in a bin bag? Or is my understanding of that wrong? JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 No, your understanding is correct, but the volumes involved make it insignificant. Dude, who's is it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 lee knows someone who makes cores to any size you want, always thought you can go too larger with intercoolers. dont real big ones make turbos laggy? suppose if you get one made up same size as a greddy 4 row it should handle more than enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Oooh I'd hate to know how little air is going to get to the radiator! Only thing is, is that the inlet tube looks a bit pissy in comparison!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Which would work best for Bpu Supra? Not wanting to upgrade to single turbo but also want no lagg, Greddy 3 Row or HKS Type S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Aren`t deep cores very ineffecient as the air warms up as it reaches the back of the intercooler which is made even worse when infront of a radiator as that warm air is then blown onto the radiator reducing the radiators effeciency as well. Would it not be better to have a much slimer intercooler with a larger surface area, if this was placed infront of the radiator the air temp would be even across the whole rad and would also be cooler too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I personally would expect it to be no better than a 3row on a BPU Supra. However I'm guessing the owner is going for a VERY BIG hp figure. Internal tube diameter and length of tube is what affects the IC's internal pressure the most. This core is no longer than a Type-R. I hope the owner puts in a pressure and temp gauge before and after the IC. This would be much more valuble than speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 That would be my intercooler,I like the crisp/bin bag analogy:D except consider that the bin bag is connected via a pipe to the vacuum cleaner,kinda puts it in perspective,as syed said its volume of air is not too significant the loss of cooling air to the rad,would be compensated to a degree by the removal of the air con,but till its fitted,and testing carried out is still an unknown. when its fitted ill carry out pre/post intercooler temps and post them on here,Wez -you are right the aftmost core will not be as effective as the more frontal ones ,but they will cool( you should see some of the heat exchangers fitted to large aircraft)plus i intend to fit an i/c waterspray which will help. As the supercharger will be assisting turbo spool I dont see lag being too problematic. As to big big bhp numbers well see,but it wont be for the lack of the coolest/dense air I can get:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Originally posted by dude I'd like to see a pic from the front, but at first glance it looks as if the designer needs to go back to school and re read about air flow and end tank design. It looks very inefficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 Originally posted by Chris Wilson I'd like to see a pic from the front, but at first glance it looks as if the designer needs to go back to school and re read about air flow and end tank design. It looks very inefficient. Its got the same design end tanks as the 12.1 second stock based TT i took to woodbridge !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! guess they work ok then dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 Originally posted by Chris Wilson I'd like to see a pic from the front, but at first glance it looks as if the designer needs to go back to school and re read about air flow and end tank design. It looks very inefficient. Guess he must have worked with Blitz then !!!! Oh i forgot chris your not a fan of the FMIC are you ???? Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 If the end tanks are the same in front profile as the Blitz one illustrated they aren't too bad, given pipe run constraints short of hacking the car itself about. The earlier pic seemed to make the end tanks look less "deep", as in pipe inlet to core distance. A good design allows the air to flow through all the tubes pretty evenly, if the inlet fires at the core tubes straight on, and from a short distance, then those tubes opposite the inlet stub get far more air flow than those further up (or down) the core, IYSWIM? Properly ducted FMIC's are fine, but haven't come across one yet for the MKIV. My old Skyline GTR was fitted with an HKS FMIC, but it took days of fettling for me to duct the damned thing, but intake charge air temps said it was worth the grief.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 Originally posted by Chris Wilson If the end tanks are the same in front profile as the Blitz one illustrated they aren't too bad, given pipe run constraints short of hacking the car itself about. The earlier pic seemed to make the end tanks look less "deep", as in pipe inlet to core distance. A good design allows the air to flow through all the tubes pretty evenly, if the inlet fires at the core tubes straight on, and from a short distance, then those tubes opposite the inlet stub get far more air flow than those further up (or down) the core, IYSWIM? Properly ducted FMIC's are fine, but haven't come across one yet for the MKIV. My old Skyline GTR was fitted with an HKS FMIC, but it took days of fettling for me to duct the damned thing, but intake charge air temps said it was worth the grief.. So what about the top part of the blitz one i pictured you cant get any less room ????? Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Some basic I/C design stuff HERE You usually find big diesel truck I/C's are well designed, but space isn't an issue with most of THOSE installations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 And if you want formulae and to get a bit heavier into it have a look at one of my favourite sites: HERE Don't mess with well modded regals, at least not in a straight line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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