GazzaGSi Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Just wondered if there was any? Im wanting to bring my wheels out abit to meet up with the arch abit better. Probably just 5mm spacers all round. Anyone know of anything I might be doing wrong? Could it cause any long term issues? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Don't like 'em myself, but if you must use spacers... make sure that they are "hubcentric" (to locate the centre of the wheel correctly) and TUV-approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 It puts a bigger load on your wheel bearings. It's like having wrong-offset wheels. Your suspension geo will be slightly out, it may tramline more, wear tyres oddly, and catch the arch liner with the tyre at full lock. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Just wondered if there was any? Im wanting to bring my wheels out abit to meet up with the arch abit better. Probably just 5mm spacers all round. Anyone know of anything I might be doing wrong? Could it cause any long term issues? Read these then decide http://planetsoarer.com/offset/studs.htm http://planetsoarer.com/offset/offset.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Umm, got me worried now. Jus fitted a set of these: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&item=230037557396&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 (the 5mm set) Should I take them off? I just wanted the wheel to sit out alittle more. And Ive had the wheels off numerous times and ive never come across the spigott rings.... Help springs to mind. I dont want no wheels falling off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Hmmm they look like shit ones to me... not hubcentric.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Now I know what that means, they are not. The hole in the center of the spacer did not have equal distance around the center of the hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Should I take them off? I would. And Ive had the wheels off numerous times and ive never come across the spigott rings.... I can supply alu spigot rings if needed, in stock here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 I can supply alu spigot rings if needed, in stock here. Is it one size fits all or do you need to know the inside diameter of the wheel where it sits on the spigot ring? Also, after doing a search for hubcentric on ebay, i came accross these: http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&shortcut=0&from=R41&query=hubcentric&category0= Just a slight difference in quality!! Going back out to take them off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Is it one size fits all or do you need to know the inside diameter of the wheel where it sits on the spigot ring? Yes you'd need to measure the diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Right, got them all back off, here is a pic of how they seated: Didnt think it looked right which is why I made this thread earlier. Plus, I do not see no spigot ring on the following 2 pics: Nic, I wish I had read your reply so I could of measured the diameter while I was taking the spacers back off. I'll leave it till another day now to take a wheel back off and measure it for you. Do you need to know the diameter of the hub lip where the spigot ring sits on as well as the inside diameter of the wheel? Cheers all, sounds like you've all saved me some cash on new tires, wheels bearings etc. Nic, could you please send us a price for 4 spigot rings. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Nic, I wish I had read your reply so I could of measured the diameter while I was taking the spacers back off. I'll leave it till another day now to take a wheel back off and measure it for you. Do you need to know the diameter of the hub lip where the spigot ring sits on as well as the inside diameter of the wheel? Cheers all, sounds like you've all saved me some cash on new tires, wheels bearings etc. Nic, could you please send us a price for 4 spigot rings. Thanks. Hi Gaz I don't need the diameter of the hub as these are all the same on the Supra. I'd just the inner diameter of the wheels. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 More than likely you'll also need to fit longer wheel studs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 holy shit dude that is not good. don't use those ever again ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The standard wheel studs should be ok with 5mm spacers - the bit I don't understnd is why/how do spacers place extra strain on the wheel bearings? Surely it's the same as having the same wheel with adifferent offset? Isn't the offset of a wheel determined by the amount of metal at the mounting face as opposed to moving the spokes themselves in? i.e. the manufacturers trim more off the mounting face in order to alter the offset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockys96 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 so what happens when you stick a 11.5 wide wheel with -20 offset on the rear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 so what happens when you stick a 11.5 wide wheel with -20 offset on the rear? You screw up the suspension geometry and subsequently the handling. You will also get through a lot of wheel bearings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Chris, it doesn't matter whether it's done with spacers or the actual offset of the wheel, basically you are moving the mass of the wheel+tyre further out than designed which puts extra force on the suspension joints. Think of a lever, the longer the lever is from the pivot point the more force is exerted on the opposite end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Hi Simon, I fully understand the physics of it - what I don't get is the difference between a rim with an acceptable offset and one without but using spacers?? Is the difference in the placement of the spokes within the rim itself or are certain rim designs simply 'bad' for certain applications? In which case, should we all be running reasonably deep dish rims with a low offset to keep the wheel 'central' in line with the hub?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 There is basically no difference. OK the purists will argue that the weight of the spokes may have moved out slightly as well when using spacers but that depends on the design. But then again, I'm not an engineer so what do I know really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 That's pretty much my understanding of it too . I can see how too much spacer can move the wheels out too far but in moderate amounts I can't see the problem (so long as they're decent quality hubcentric jobbies). I used H&R on mine - fantastic fit and you can feel the quality:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 holy shit dude that is not good. don't use those ever again ffs I wont! Trust me! While the wheel was removed i checked to find the offset, the only number I could find which related to it was '45'. If I were to fit a 5mm spacer would my offset then become 50 or 40? There was enough thread left to screw the nuts back on but I wouldnt go bigger. Shame really, just wanted to make the wheels more flush with body as they seem abit sunk in. Thanks all for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 If you are looking for a decent set of spacers with extended studs see these guys http://www.srbpower.com/hr/spacers.php Top quality stuff but a little more pricey than the universal 5/6mm stuff from Halfords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 While the wheel was removed I checked to find the offset, the only number I could find which related to it was '45'. If I were to fit a 5mm spacer would my offset then become 50 or 40? 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupra Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'm gonna have to sourse some good spacers, i'm pretty sure that my wheels won't fit over UK spec brakes, and I don't really want to change my wheels. Was gonna go with the Ultralite versions, but I may have a look at the SRBPower ones too now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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