michael Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I bet nobody saw this one coming http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6062084.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I wonder where they're off to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Holidays?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdzC Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Wouldn't surprise me if production moved to a cheaper Eastern European country. Shame for the local area around here because the factory employs a large number of local people who are going to struggle to find replacement jobs now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 very sad.... Blackpool will be in mourning... so here's a picture of one of their sexy cars to cheer us all up.. http://www.tvrtuscan.info/images/gallery/tvr-tuscan67.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 http://www.autotrack.nl/img/tvr/tuscan.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Well, thought for a minute there that thread would be about them ceasing business all together. 2 cars a week, wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdzC Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Just looking at those pictures had made me realise how much i'm going to miss them being test driven around the streets near where I live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 seems to be lots of companys moving abroad for cheap labour.that big chocolate company moving abroad too. boycot the fookers and dont buy chocolate tvr`s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 boycot the fookers and dont buy chocolate tvr`s I thought they were made of chocolate... based on the reliability issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I wonder where they're off to Wherever it is I bet they won't get there if they drive their own products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr keef Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 i say they make the best looking best sounding cars in the world by far,just a shame about the reliability,if they were bombproof then id buy one straight away:eyebrows: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Bye Trev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 A very bad reputation, very, very poor business sense & Wheeler tucking Nicolia up like a kipper killed them. Probably move to some two bit skanky eastern european country made from still further inferior parts & completely unskilled labour. Commercial suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Probably move to some two bit skanky eastern european country made from still further inferior parts & completely unskilled labour. Home from home then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Home from home then? Lol- if there are still making cars at Christmas, I'll be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Lol- if there are still making cars at Christmas, I'll be surprised. ...or if they've got any sense they'll buy in Engineering and quality knowledge and start churning out half decent cars at a fraction of the cost of the Western World because they aren't saddled with a load of self-serving cobblers like ISO9000 and H&S issues and trade unions killing the company by insisting on rock star wages for spanner monkeys. If you think I'm joking you should take a look at how many of the OEMs are setting up shop in China, India and Africa. This is unfortunately what happens when a country's manufacturing industry gets fat and greedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 ...or if they've got any sense they'll buy in Engineering and quality knowledge and start churning out half decent cars at a fraction of the cost of the Western World because they aren't saddled with a load of self-serving cobblers like ISO9000 and H&S issues and trade unions killing the company by insisting on rock star wages for spanner monkeys. If you think I'm joking you should take a look at how many of the OEMs are setting up shop in China, India and Africa. This is unfortunately what happens when a country's manufacturing industry gets fat and greedy. Would you work for £5 an hour? You may notice that in the company car park none of the TVR employees on the shop floor owned a TVR themselves, save for a few S-series and Chimaeras- none owned Cerberas or Tuscans/etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 none of the TVR employees on the shop floor owned a TVR themselves Sounds like they know better They had to get to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Sounds like they know better They had to get to work Pmsl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Sounds like they know better They had to get to work Fpmsl!!!!!!! He set you up nice there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Would you work for £5 an hour? You may notice that in the company car park none of the TVR employees on the shop floor owned a TVR themselves, save for a few S-series and Chimaeras- none owned Cerberas or Tuscans/etc... No, I wouldn't work for £5 per hour. However I work for considerably more than £5 per hour but I don't drive a Lotus. I could get a healthy pay increase and still not afford to be able to drive one. Why do you even think that the people on the shop floor at TVR [should all be driving TVRs? The idea that just because your boss is filthy rich then all the workers should be filthy rich too is bonkers. This country used to be one of the manufacturing engineering world's leading lights (especially in sportscar production) but now everything in the West has simply got too expensive because the workers and the business infrastructure demand too much pissing about and not enough getting the job done. Don't get me wrong. Offshoring is a disgrace. I've seen my industry affected by it. I have lots of friends in other lines of work who may be about to be affected by it. I'm not for one second defending a company that decides to ditch its UK workforce and ship the whole operation out to Indo-China just to shave a bit off the bottom line, but you have to wonder why Toyota is just about the only automaker turning in a profit when the likes of GM, Chrysler and Ford are struggling to make a sustainable loss? I once saw a doumentary on the demise of the UK car industry and one particular anecdote stuck with me: The people who built the cars were working hammer and nails to meet production schedules and the unions were (perhaps justifiably) ensuring that if they worked harder to make more cars, then they got more money. Then the company got some new manufacturing technology in that enabled the same people working the same shift pattern to build more cars more cheaply and more efficiently - just what the company needed at the time. So what did the unions do? They demanded that if the workers were turning out more cars, they should be paid more money. More money for doing a job that just got easier. WTF? Its this complete and utter Western incapability to "get it" when it comes to a working philosophy that IMHO is killing this country. When I worked in conjunction with a company in Japan, my opposite number bought a camper van so that he could sleep in the company car park when he needed to work extra hours. How many people do you know that would do that? I'm not averse doing a good deal of unpaid overtime, but I wouldn't go that far. ...and don't think I'm painting myself whiter than white, either. At my next performance appraisal I'm going to have a right old rant about what I'm being paid. Not because I want to go out and buy a flash car or a flash watch or a four bed detached house in the country, but simply because the price of living in my 2 bed semi, paying for food and running my 12 year old car is starting to leave me with a negative cashflow each month. I'm hardly on the breadline but working in engineering in this country is fast becoming a financial non-starter. To go back to "would I work for £5 an hour". In this country, no. But when your whole family can eat out for a fiver and get a room in a five star hotel for Travelodge prices in China its not hard to see why plenty of Chinese would. So for me, the question is really "why the hell has it got so expensive to live in the West?" I'm pretty unshakable in my belief that all the hangers-on in insurance, legal, financial and all the non-value added industries right down to the people who clean your office adding on daft surcharges to cover their support industries' daft surcharges to cover their support industries simply trying to make an extra fast buck is pushing the price of everything up and up and up to the point where its getting unsustainable. GM would rather churn out cars it knows it can't sell because its cheaper for the company to do that than rework their business model for lower production. Insurance would rather continue to rip us all off and move its call centres off shore to increase their profit margin and say bollocks to customer service instead of re-jigging their operation to keep prices competitive and UK worker in jobs. Its too expensive to do anything in this country because we got greedy, and now there's seemingly no going back because no one wants to have to take the plunge and revert to a simpler way of working - and make no bones about it, its because things are simpler in the Far East and other developing countries all over that means thay can sustain their economies on far, far less cash. That's what makes them cheap, and not the fact that they are all poor peasants on starvation wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Top rant Digsy, and I agree with what you said. Now get back to work you guttersnipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Its too expensive to do anything in this country because we got greedy. Thats capitalism for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Some People On This Forum Suffer From Capitalism. Edit: curse the anti-caps function for ruining my joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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