M3

[Clarkey]

The vibe I get from this thread is ... if it isn't a Supra it's shit. Funny how everyone agrees that the Bugatti Veyron is fantastic ... maybe it's because it's a car that -chances are- nobody on this BBS will ever get to drive one - nevermind own one!

 

The vibe I also get from some members is - if you post something about another road car - that is better than the Supra ... you get flamed.

 

The M3 is an awesome car. 350 odd horse from an NA engine! It's 6speed semi-auto paddle gearbox - you can keep your foot to the floor during gear-changes. Around the twisties or around the track - I believe an M3 will rape a BPU Supra TT.

 

For sure, on a long enough straight - the Supra will have the edge.

 

I think people on this BBS - loose sight of the fact that - although the Supra is an excellent well built car .. it's technology is now out-dated. I apprieciate other cars - for that fact that the technology in that car has moved on.

[CJ]

I think a lot of the members here need to take a reality check occasionally. There are a lot of excellent cars out there (including BMW's) that I would swap a Supra for.

[ChrisSZ]

I simply don't like the look of BMs - don't care how quick they are or handle etc. - they (IMHO) look pig-ugly.

 

There are however, several other cars I would chose over a Supra - they may or may not be faster, better handling etc.

 

Personally I don't believe that the Supe is the one true God - but pretty close:) :)

[Clarkey]

Absolutey Colin! I love the idea of the M3's semi-auto box. A nice smooth auto drive around town .. and the paddle box for fun.

 

Or the M5, imagine the fun you'd have fiddling with all the settings on that beastie!

[Cable]

I'm afraid I just don't like BMW's and I don't like their image. I think that most of the drivers are arrogant, pretentious d!cks who don't even know whats gone into the engineering of the car, they just like the badge. Not all of 'em though...

[imi]

The M3 is an awesome car. 350 odd horse from an NA engine! It's 6speed semi-auto paddle gearbox - you can keep your foot to the floor during gear-changes. Around the twisties or around the track - I believe an M3 will rape a BPU Supra TT.

 

M3's are very nice cars, but lets not kid ourselves, its certainly not faster than a supra TT let alone a BPU one. So saying that it would rape a supra TT is just hilarious.

 

I find them boring cause they are everywhere (in london anyway)

 

I'd love to own the new M5 though.

[michael]

One thing I will say, and I like the M3 a lot, is that they sound absolutely awful when 'giving it some' - the engine has an odd metallic growl that ruins the moment

 

You can't argue with their ability to build cracking powerplants though, they also handle, they build cars that have the right size wheels for the arches, don't look like they need lowering and have that element of luxury to go with the performance. Sadly this comes at a price and by the time the cars fall into my price bracket they are old and tired.

 

Anyway this thread is about finding someone a mate and boobies, lets stop slating BMWs

[Clarkey]

So saying that it would rape a supra TT is just hilarious.

 

I said around the twisties or around the track.

 

Why around the twisties ? Because you can keep your foot buried on the throttle whilst changing gear. Like a Manual box - you have more control over the car than an Automatic - but you don't have the problem of momentarily NOT accelerating when changing gear.

 

Now, not accepting that fact - is plain hilarious!

[imi]

I said around the twisties or around the track.

 

Why around the twisties ? Because you can keep your foot buried on the throttle whilst changing gear. Like a Manual box - you have more control over the car than an Automatic - but you don't have the problem of momentarily NOT accelerating when changing gear.

 

Now, not accepting that fact - is plain hilarious!

 

Well, I have NEVER taken my car round the track so "I" cant comment on that. I am sure one of the others can and will.

 

However on the twisties on A roads and around my extensive private track around London and the suburbs of london I can tell you that I have whipped many M3s round the twisties and embarassed them on the straights EVERYTIME.

 

Perhaps its down to the driver and not the car

Now that was hilarious - I aint a good driver.

 

My car is BPU and has RLTC, its a 6sp manual so I need to change the gears myself, that momentary loss in acceleration has never come into play.

 

The M3s are lovely cars - but sorry, they are slow on both the straights and twisties compared to my BPU anyway (which I dont consider to be special)

[Clarkey]

they are slow on both the straights and twisties compared to my BPU anyway (which I dont consider to be special)

 

Ok. Have it your way.

 

I'm not going to waste my keyboard arguing with you. You have your thoughts on the matter - and I ... and quite afew other people ... have ours.

 

Let's leave it at that.

[imi]

Ok. Have it your way.

 

I'm not going to waste my keyboard arguing with you. You have your thoughts on the matter - and I ... and quite afew other people ... have ours.

 

Let's leave it at that.

 

Yup, we agree to disagree

 

PS: like the Vortex installed T61 on your car though - Thats my next mod....

[terribleturner]

The M3s are lovely cars - but sorry, they are slow on both the straights and twisties compared to my BPU anyway (which I dont consider to be special)

 

But now your comparing a BPU supra to a stock M3. If your going to do that then mines faster than yours on the straights AND the twisties.

[Clarkey]

PS: like the Vortex installed T61 on your car though - Thats my next mod....

 

Thank you. She drives very smoothly. And stops very well too.

[imi]

But now your comparing a BPU supra to a stock M3. If your going to do that then mines faster than yours on the straights AND the twisties.

 

Not me buddy

 

Clarkey is

 

I believe an M3 will rape a BPU Supra TT.

[terribleturner]

Ah missed Clarkey saying that. A BPU i would say 80% of the time should beat the M3 where as a stock or mildly stock Sup would have a run for it's money with one.

[Clarkey]

A BPU i would say 80% of the time should beat the M3

 

On a straight ? No arguement - I never said otherwise.

 

But around the twisties and on the track - why do you think an M3 would loose 80% of the time ?

[imi]

Ah missed Clarkey saying that. A BPU i would say 80% of the time should beat the M3 where as a stock or mildly stock Sup would have a run for it's money with one.

 

I have a 100% record against M3 - even when i wasnt a full BPU (meaning still had CATs in) - then again, it might not be the car, maybe it the driver

 

With a Single T61 yours is hardly BPU

[terribleturner]

On a track, i don't think your giving the sup enough credit when it comes to corners. Ok they can be easily throw out, but with a confident and good driver supras can be VERY good when coming upto corners.

[Clarkey]

On a track, i don't think your giving the sup enough credit when it comes to corners. Ok they can be easily throw out, but with a confident and good driver supras can be VERY good when coming upto corners.

 

That's not what I asked. I asked - what factors do you think make an M3 loose 80% of the time ?

[terribleturner]

That's not what I asked. I asked - what factors do you think make an M3 loose 80% of the time ?

 

M3 06 version

Claimed 333bhp

weight = 3781

 

Supra TT

claimed 320bhp

weight = 3256

[imi]

That's not what I asked. I asked - what factors do you think make an M3 loose 80% of the time ?

 

I'm with on this Clarkey, not sure where James gets his numbers from. I think the supra will leave a M3 dead 100% of the time, if not, then get the surpa checked

[terribleturner]

BMW = http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/bmw_m3_convertible_2006/18283/style_specs.html?p=all

 

Supra = http://www.mkiv.com/faq/faqtt.html#other13

 

Techincal details are readily available if you look. I can only assume you guys have never driven an M3 before. You should really as i bet you'd both be surprised, well saying that, from a bpu or apu supra to an M3 maybe not, but stock to M3 yes.

[Clarkey]

So, purely based upon weight then ?

 

Nothing to do with the sequential semi-auto paddle gearbox ?

A high revving engine up to 8k RPM ?

Or the Cornering brake control ? (I've copied & pasted) It's not traction control. That's also built in.

 

But we were only discussing BPU - ie running high boost.

 

Using the revolutions of the wheel, CBC regulates the pressure in the different wheel brake cylinders so that wheels operate separately and brake optimally. In this way the system intervenes early and the driver is unaware of it.

 

In addition, the physically-dependent over-steering while braking on curves is compensated. CBC counteracts these tendencies by modulating brake action at individual wheels in a precise way; for instance, it can cause brake pressure at the outside front wheel to build up more rapidly than at the other wheels.

 

The result is significantly safer and gentler braking. The vehicle remains safe on track at all times. Even during abrupt braking maneuvers, the vehicle remains stable

 

Technology has moved on guys!

[terribleturner]

Technology has moved on guys!

 

Your totatly right, but then you are obviously aware also that the power claims from all these new cars are lower than stated. Yet another deciding factor. Your also missing the nut behind the wheel. I can see the average M3 drive actually knowing how to handle the car properly, let alone the gearbox. That said it's also true about the Sup which is why i said 80%

 

A car is only as fast as the drive, end of.

[imi]

Technology has moved on guys!

 

All those gizmos also add weight to the car and weight doesnt make the car go faster.

 

I can show you a video of a 2ltr S2K embarassing an E46 on track, round the twisties the S2K absolutely kills the M3, but even on the straights the M3 struggles to pull away. when braking, the M3 looks like a lorry compared to the lightweight underpowered S2K.

 

I have never taken my supra on track and have never raced a M3 on track. In real work conditions on my private london estate, the M3 is a loser everytime.

 

You talk about technology moving on, sadly new technology doesnt always mean better, I think the supra was years ahead of it time anyway, and certainly it performs well and better than most modern cars. You've got LSB, ABS, (easily RLTC), awesome brakes + suspension setup (bilsteins yellows) very well balanced chassis, awesome 6sp gearbox, great strong engine with a superb twin seq setup. I;m sure I am missing many other featurets that make the supra one of the best mass manufactured cars even built.