Syed Shah Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Not you I was expecting flames from Just the way some people (vendors) seem to push them as the obvious choice for power gains, I've never seen anything out of them that justifies the price. Yet a lot of people go for them after being told how good they are, only to be dissapointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah Not you I was expecting flames from Just the way some people (vendors) seem to push them as the obvious choice for power gains, I've never seen anything out of them that justifies the price. Yet a lot of people go for them after being told how good they are, only to be dissapointed. Considering the price of stock turbos they make sense if insurance etc is an issue , Pauls car and the UK i took to TSC pull very strongly but overall i agree a small single is defo the way to go for VFM Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Originally posted by Ashley Willis But not for stage 3 hybrids surely, I was getting 357 rwhp on stocks at 1.2b........... No you werent Ash thats the point you got HUB hp not rear wheel hp there is from what i can make out a LOT of diff. between HUB and WHEEL hp !!!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Yes, it is nice people are waking up to singles, rather than the diminishing returns of hybrids. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention simpler without all the sequential stuff in there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah Yes, it is nice people are waking up to singles, rather than the diminishing returns of hybrids. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention simpler without all the sequential stuff in there! TBH Syed ive allways tried to sway everyone to a single and they are so easy to work on when installed !!!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Yep, and thanks to that we are getting more and more people going the single route. Even for mild HP, it makes sense like Supraguy's small single. It can be very affordable too IMHO, as long as you don't want the big power figures straight off. I can't wait to junk mine, just want to get everything else sorted first before doing so. You'll have to give me a ride in your car when its done, should be a beast :flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah Yep, and thanks to that we are getting more and more people going the single route. Even for mild HP, it makes sense like Supraguy's small single. It can be very affordable too IMHO, as long as you don't want the big power figures straight off. I can't wait to junk mine, just want to get everything else sorted first before doing so. You'll have to give me a ride in your car when its done, should be a beast :flame Dev Syed a rides no problem dude , i class mine as a 'small single' still but i know its capable of making decent power , i will try a larger turbo though untill i cant stand the lag !!! Dude:flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Originally posted by dude No you werent Ash thats the point you got HUB hp not rear wheel hp there is from what i can make out a LOT of diff. between HUB and WHEEL hp !!!! Dude:flame Dev Sorry dude I meant to put rhhp, but I thought there was only another 5% loss from rhhp to rwhp.....?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_doo_do Posted April 26, 2004 Author Share Posted April 26, 2004 Right, now you can all stop bickering....... And let me know what the hells wrong with this dyno graph.... I'm guessing the flat bit and the weird stuff at 5krpm is the missfire ??? Looks BAD..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Originally posted by Ashley Willis Sorry dude I meant to put rhhp, but I thought there was only another 5% loss from rhhp to rwhp.....?????? The trouble is that no one really knows how to convert between rhhp, rwhp and crank bhp. IMO, 356rhhp is about 396 crank and 285 rwhp. If this is correct, it would mean that even with whatever problems it currently has, Craig's car is putting out more power on hybrids. Whether they represent VFM over a single is a different question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Craig, looking at that graph, it looks like your second turbo comes in late. Around 5krpm? - You do have some very obvious flat spots, but they could be down to the plugs. Shame you didn't get another run... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 looking at the spec (and I know my eyesight is getting bad) but you appear to have stock import spec injectors, I would have said 400+ at the flywheel on 440cc injectors was more than enough, its going to be close to melt down at that point. And I agree with Dude, hybrids have a place, namely where you want additional power but without the huge increase in insurance you might see with a single turbo. Hybrids will always be limited by the manifold, go single and lose that and its always going to be better. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah ...And then we are into the subject of just how good hybrids are? I used to be a believer, but not anymore, some research showed me that they really don't make any sense for VFM power gains, best for replacing blown turbos in a pinch. If performance is your goal, hybrids don't make sense IMHO. (Flame suit on) IMHO, I still think Hybrids have their place. As John said, if insurance is an issue, is one reason. It's been proven that hybrids can be good. Look at Ian C's performances at the past TOTB events, you can't knock that. He was pretty much on par with Paul Whiffins single at that time. I think a lot of people expect to just bolt on a set of hybrids and get substantial power gains... They need supporting mods and it all has to be set up properly. (This isn't aimed at you Syed, just a generalisation!) That said, I'm going single ASAP! Horses for courses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_doo_do Posted April 26, 2004 Author Share Posted April 26, 2004 Matt, before when i accelerated it slowed down at 4k when the big tubbie kicked in - a pause of about a second ish..... Now that i have the plugs in it doesn't take as long and its almost instant... The chap seemed to think that the second turbo wasn't coming online very well as the plugs were nackered... I wish i had it back on the rollers after i had them changed :-( I'll have to pop down to you again matt so you can come for a spin again ;-) Hopefully get the car back on sat from the sprayshop and all ready for le mans.. Are there any car meets this bank holiday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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