Grazer Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 I've just been towed home by the AA due to a burntout clutch. Must have been too excited at Crail yesterday - didn't even get a good time to show for it! I'm in the process of searching, but in the meantime can anyone recommend what clutch I should be looking at and how much it might cost?? This months money had all gone on the Nur Spec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazer Posted April 20, 2004 Author Share Posted April 20, 2004 RPS MK4 Max series street disc or RPS MK4 Max series sprung hub disc seem to be options..... What's the difference & what should I be asking about with any clutch the garage might recommend?? I can't believe you've all gone to bed when I need answers now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk_supra Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 If you want my opinion about clutches as I have gone through maybe 10 different setup, except the RPS carbon carbon,and the tilton, I can recommend the following Options 1. ACT pressure plate - stock disc harder pedal but stock drivability, no slipping like 5000 and slip etc., but it's just a beautiful clutch, 600rwhp 2. HKS Triple Tricky, very light pedal, unbelievable holding power, just slip that MOFO and it doesn't give a $hit, I have done about 30000miles of crazy driving with my single and about 800rwhp give or take (depending on the day), and it just doesn't wear out. We are talking about racing in Athens for 4 days a week, illegal of course and from light to light. This thing is just unreal. And the good thing is that nobody can drive your car because it needs some adjusting period, now after 2 years (actually in 1 week I got used to it) I drive it like a pro. Take my word for it lightened flywheel has bad driveability, 6 puck clutches are really bad and wear everything out, they eat the flywheels and pressure plates. If you want to byte the bullet and purchase the HKS just go there blindfolded, but don't waste money on other setups because they are just POS. After 10000$ worth of clutches no 1 is what everybody loves and no 2 is what every real street racer likes, changing gear and absolutelly no slippage like a WRC car. Cheers Dimitri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 RPS Max series with street disc, thats what I used for a couple of years without any problems, drives like a std clutch apart from being slightly heavier. It handled 600bhp for awhile as well so will be more than up to the job in your case. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Huntley Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 Yep I agree with Paul, I have had the same setup in my car for 2 years now without any problems and I have done numerous drag launchs without any problems. IMHO good value for money compared to the competition. HTH Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk_supra Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 I guess the RPS Max is the same with the ACT , just a heavier pressure plate. Which after some investigation,:flame Dev , I did exactly the same at a stock pressure plate with about 150 Euros, machined a stock one and changed the springs, and voila a pressure plate heavy like the RPS or ACT. The only problem was I couldn't find the........same colour blue or the same yellow, to make them an identical match. RPS and ACT use the same AISIN pressure plate they just modify it. Cheers Paul, those Porterfields, they can brake for sure, but they cracked my discs, and they squeal oh my god they squeal. But from 280-300klm I have brakes. Later Dimitri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osso Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 it must've been seriously hot and burnt out if you had to get the AA out to tow u home!! couldnt you drive it at all? normally you can limp home once the clutch has cooled down although it might feel juddery, obviously it depends how damaged and worn out the clutch is at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazer Posted April 20, 2004 Author Share Posted April 20, 2004 It seemed to be completely gone - no movement at all with high revs, even after 2 hours which was how long it took for the tow truck to arrive. Spoke to the garage this morning (AVA tuners in Paisley). They felt I should definitely go for a paddle plate as it wasn't much more than the RPS max series street disc. They use Helix clutches (http://www.helix-autosport.com/standard.htm) and could get a full paddle plate for £480. Anyone come accross these?? They also said they usually take the fly wheel off and grind the surface as it will have worn unevenly when the clutch wore down. They also said they usually lighten the flywheel by removing any extra metal - but they haven't worked on a supra clutch before so they don't know what to expect. Does this make sense? Advice would be great as I need to make a decision today. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osso Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 its normal practice for a garage to send the fly wheel away to an engineering company to have it skimmed only if the fly wheel is slightly uneven, if its badly damaged i'd recommend replacing the flywheel... because you can only skim the fly wheel so much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 if they did find something to lighten i would not let them lighten it. if u want a light flywheel buy one that is designed that way. its not worth the risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazer Posted April 20, 2004 Author Share Posted April 20, 2004 Helix clutch anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk_supra Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 Stock flywheel cannot be lightenned, it's dual mass etc. etc. My recommendation still stands. Just resurface the stock flywheel, maybe 50-80 Euros, then a stock disc (these are cheap, in US it was like 70$), and either get a pressure plate from Paul Whiffin, or make yours a stronger one. Cheap easy and change the bearings the throw out one and the pilot. Cheers, Dimitri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 There is no need for a paddle plate, RPS max street uses a std Toyota disc, this is all you need....trust me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk_supra Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 Grazer get a quote for Stock Disc RPS Plate Throw out bearing Pilot bearing and the damn C-clip, and wave washer that holds the TO bearing together, coz if it goes, it's bye bye 6 speed tranny. Just take a sand paper and rough up a little bit the flywheel and you are done. Now the dirt cheap way of doing this is, of course open the thing up yourself, buy just the disc and the clip, wave washer, bearings, and with a sand paper just rough up the surfaces of the flywheel and pressure plate. Old American tricks, they work for miles and miles. I had a lot of buddies when I was in Detroit that were just changing the disc and leaving the rest alone. Cost was really low that way, but of course it's like stock, no promises at 500rwhp. The 1st time I took the tranny out it took me 45min, now it takes me 20min and another 20 to mount it. So let's say in about an hour new clutch is in. Supras are easier to pop the tranny out than a Punto GT, or a Renault 5 GT. Cheers Dimitri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra dan Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 its the RPS i have, something went wrong with mine there was smoke pouring out and it didnt hold. alright after a rest tho, thought it would be up to the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 Anyone used the TRD clutch? I'm considering an upgrade when needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 The TRD IS the RPS;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 I have the TRD clutch and flywheel in mine, pedal weight is greater than stock and I get some rattling and gridding noises. It certainly can handle abuse and transfers the power well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr keef Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 SO how much is a rps clutch? and is a clutch an expensive job in a supra tt? excuse my stupidity but im kinda new:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk_supra Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 The RPS is NOT the TRD, the TRD is exactly the same as the EXEDY clutch. Very good clutch but the new Exedy clutch has also sprung hubs, for the vibration. Very good clutch, but all the 2plates, 3plates have some rattling either, why not go with the beast HKS 3ple since it's also very economical comparing to the other ones. Dimitri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Dimitri I assume you are refering to the twin disc TRD, which is indeed the exedy. The single street clutch TRD sell just has an uprated cover, ala RPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 The TRD Twin is a great clutch but noisey. IMHO, and I have been through too many clutches, The RPS Carbon/Carbon is the best set up for big power/drivability/low noise. My Purple car had the first carbon/carbon in the UK, and that clutch was a revelation. Anyone wanting RPS clutches cheaply, e-mail me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk_supra Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 After years of trial and error, on my and my customers cars, I found out two things There is no way one can have a clutch with better drivability than stock and also if you go to something radical, why not go all the way. Dimitri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 I agree totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk_supra Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 So either stock, or just a pressure plate, or something like the HKS triple Exedy RPS carbon/carbon Tilton (too drag racing for me) OS Giken that's it. Dimitri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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