Whitesupraboy2 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 lets face it...250 bhp is high enough for us, u can still own your hot hatches and u dont have turbo problems and all internals should take that amount of power without too much problem. someone start a list of the things that can be done to the NA to get the power in order of what to start with: 1. Induction kit 2. Decat pipes and exhaust etc...... i dont know enough so someone else can continue and finish it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 why think about selling for a TT? you have one:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 'cos one TT is never enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah 'cos one TT is never enough One Supra is never enough, hence why we have 2 Power expectations, for Clair, I would have thought 250bhp would be fine, but who knows if in 3 years time, I have 2k sat around I might say sod it, I'll throw on Nitrous, it really depends on the thing that makes teh world go round matey, money..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 You mention a decat, has it got the exhaust done as well? Other than than, I would go for cams, as if you do decide for further mods later, they are still of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Originally posted by whitesupraboy2 lets face it...250 bhp is high enough for us, u can still own your hot hatches and u dont have turbo problems and all internals should take that amount of power without too much problem. someone start a list of the things that can be done to the NA to get the power in order of what to start with: 1. Induction kit 2. Decat pipes and exhaust etc...... i dont know enough so someone else can continue and finish it 1. Induction kit 2. Decat pipes and exhaust 3. Head polish/port/flow whatever 4. Cams 5. ECU then you've got Nitrous, or you could try and up the revs and custom build some lightweight pistons, (big money and very risky path) General car lightening inc propshaft/flywheel, light alloys, internal strip out (probably only relevant to a track only car though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 How much difference will there be though between 230bhp and 250bhp? will the seem that much different? I think the only mods you can do is de-cat, exhaust and filter which give about 15bhp. Then the more expensive mods like manifold, port and polish, cams etc or add an expensive supercharger or turbo kit. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Think thats about it, we've gone round in a circle now. Why not sell it and get a TT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 would different headers/manifold work ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 He he this N/A thread does generate some friction in the community almost as much as J-spec-UK lol. Having investigated this now for some time and seriously considered all options I am finding that the cheapest keep your existing car option with a straight power hike to around 300 is the TT transplant option. I envisage final costs by the time I have sold my existing engine and gearbox to help fund the job being circa 3 grand. Its going to be a lot of work and a lot of faffing about but I get to keep my car which I simply adore. The seperate jobs of exhausts and cams and decats and all the rest doesn't appeal to me at all as individually I am not sure I would notice the increases in power hence this solution is not my bag at all. A mate of mine at work did something very similar with a golf GTI over a ten year period. He tuned it up to around 300 bhp ish and had a seriously quick golf. He added all the bills up one day and it was about £30k (he blew 3 engines up and wreaked a gearbox in that time). He didn't mind at all as a lot of the work he had been directly involved in so the car was less a car and more a part of his life. Anyone that has or does own a boat will get what I mean by that. If your car is just a car then yes the financial side will win through and common sense will prevail. If your car is more than that to you then spending the money to tune it won't be as some have said a waste of money. Mandy's car obviously runs OK and is still going forwards in the MOD department so someone has gone about the MOD's in the correct fashion allready. The N/A community is getting braver and wanting to stand up to be counted so lets count them and help them on their way, in the meantime I will defect to the TT lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust2luv Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Splitter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 1. Induction kit 2. Decat pipes and exhaust 3. Head polish/port/flow whatever 4. Cams 5. ECU 6. Cam pulleys 7. Electric fans, remove viscous then you've got Nitrous, or you could try and up the revs and custom build some lightweight pistons, (big money and very risky path) General car lightening inc propshaft/flywheel, light alloys, internal strip out (probably only relevant to a track only car though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I don't think the removal of the viscous fan is a wise thing to do, overheating and electrical problems. AND a HP loss. Why? Because the alternator is driving them, this is less direct, and less efficient. Not wise, unless perhaps well thought-out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 But you or someone else said around page 2/3 that removal of the viscous fan would be a gain as the engine hasnt got to drive it anymore, becuase the fans are electric.........which way round is it Syed...... ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Viscous fan! Love that name, wonder if anyone has had there finger caught in it? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Originally posted by Syed Shah I don't think the removal of the viscous fan is a wise thing to do, overheating and electrical problems. AND a HP loss. Why? Because the alternator is driving them, this is less direct, and less efficient. Not wise, unless perhaps well thought-out. Yeah I was quoted a 10 hp gain by replacing the viscous fan with kenlo's but like ya say the power doesn't just not get used it just takes a different route is all. Whilst its in the process it works out your alternator more. Apparently though a pair of kenlo's will cool the engine more as there is more airflow or summat but this is only really an issue on heavily modded motors isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 i said this and so have a few others. U remove viscous fan and u do get increase in HP, not much but enough to make it count. the fans are then electrical putting more pressure on the alternator, but this is substantially less then the pressure from a viscous fan on the engine! I dont think you would have overheating problem, due to the design of them. If mods are done correctly you shouldnt have a problem. I espically wouldnt expect a electrical problem from this, as it is relatively simple for the professionals. plus the electrical ones come all blinged up thats won some people over already lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 In the states they all go for twin fans, they definetly cool the engine better. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Laing In the states they all go for twin fans, they definetly cool the engine better. Paul They do? What's their CFM rating then? However, if I'm right in my assumption that the NA has the same radiator as the TT the cooling should not be significantly impaired by the use of twin electric fans. the stock fan shifts a lot of air and runs ALL the time - remember that when you hook up your thermostate controlled leccy fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 ** Wrong Button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Alex - Read back a few posts, i'm not the one who brought up the electric fans, have you got a problem or something? Paul :flame Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Not wishing to spark another argument but I was told that twin kenlo's do cool the engine better than a single viscous does. Then again I was also told by people that I really trusted at the time that Santa existed!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I don't think that companys such as Powerhouseracing would sell these if they wern't as good as the stock fan, i think Miami Rice sell these, or make these aswell. Maybe there only for really modified supras, but they make a difference Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Laing I don't think that companys such as Powerhouseracing would sell these if they wern't as good as the stock fan, i think Miami Rice sell these, or make these aswell. Maybe there only for really modified supras, but they make a difference Alex Get me the data ie - flow rates, and tell me how you're going to monitor them incase of failure (as an electric fan fails totally and a clutch type one just doesn't go as fast as it should) and I'll accept that if its better than the stock one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 OK i'll see what info i can find for you, but i'm sure you know best mate, go on supraforums and get those Americans told!!! Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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