Muffleman Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 I feel deeply sorry for Muffleman- but you've found one person's experiance to support your argument, despite every other dog owner in this thread to say it's unusual- hell at least Muffleman did all he could and and was a responsible owner. Thanks mate, but I assure you I in now way support his arguement ! TBH I am still very much a dog lover, but I suspect Jake may also have had to realise that you simply cannot guarantee any dog 100%. It's not always down to the owner or lack of training etc. Pains me to accept this for obvious reasons. However, can't agree with some of the bollocks in this thread either. I'm still pro-dog and would side with the dog lovers every day of the week, but if we choose to welcome animals into our homes, we have to accept that there are possiblities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share Posted September 28, 2006 Difficult one this, I can understand dogs that were bread for fighting or known to be particularly dangerous due to their power and likeliness of violence being banned but I dunno about the rest. Bobbeh- they are banned. You have to register with the council if you have other certain breeds. Further down the scale than that and the present no risk AS A BREED. (Not saying individuals aren't possibly going to attack) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share Posted September 28, 2006 I think all owners should need to apply for a license, and the issuing of said license should be dependent on the results from IQ and Common Sense test, thus ensuring that particularly stupid people can't own, look after, or care for dogs. I should be a politician. Yeah that. A test like the theory (driving) test. Basic dog behaviour and owners responsiblity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Likewise you should have to apply for a license to have kids. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Likewise you should have to apply for a license to have kids. IMO Abso-bloody-lutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Difficult one this, I can understand dogs that were bread for fighting or known to be particularly dangerous due to their power and likeliness of violence being banned but I dunno about the rest. Thing is though mate that it's the little dogs that start all the aggro- look at a Jack russel and other toy breeds- strong dogs don't tend to maim people, although I grant you it'll make the news because it's sensationalist- a St Bernard is twice as strong as a Rottweiler- if one attacked you you would have no chance, does that get banned too? Under the American temperament tests they only have a 82% pass rate compared to a staffy's 84%. Poodles scored 85%, Scotty terriers were way down at 63%. Corgi was 78%, & that legendary Pommeranian breed scored 75%. Rotties passed 82%, Pit bulls passed 83%. It's a funny old game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Mate of mine had a yorkie... that thing was more aggresive than ANYTHING I've ever met.. I've had german shepards most of my life and I've not had an issue with them. In fact my present one was a rescue one, which set alarm bells ringing...german shepard unknown origin... rescue.... However, anybody who has met him, knows that while he may bark initially, he soon settles down once the warning has been given. Yes, there is an element of trust that we have in him with the kids, however there needs to be education on the children side as well.. The only MINOR incident that has ever occured was when he nibbled the neighbour for scaring the crap out of my 5yr old... These are intelligent creatures and like us have good and bad days... the only problem is..people don't treat them with respect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share Posted September 28, 2006 nibbled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Yeah, front teeth not canines, and just a nip on the arse to say 'Back off from my pack'... Didn't break the skin or anything, just left a tiny mark. Should add my neighbour was a 16 stone, 6ft 5 15yr old, and he laughed about it afterwards and realized his mistake. Now we don't let him out the front when the kids are screaming and playing, just so we don't have any possible problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share Posted September 28, 2006 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 It's a funny old game Indeed it is.. although isnt it down to the levels of damage the dog can do? I mean getting 'mauled' by a poodle or by a rotweiler is going to differ in severity - right? (unless someones invented a new breed of fighting hyper poodle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Indeed it is.. although isnt it down to the levels of damage the dog can do? I mean getting 'mauled' by a poodle or by a rotweiler is going to differ in severity - right? (unless someones invented a new breed of fighting hyper poodle) At the moment yes, and it's wrong imo. Apparently we aren't allowed to compare dogs to cars, so I'll use people instead: A Yorky is a drunk Jay Kay who showers in stella and has a serious attitude problem, thinks he's as hard as nails and always spoiling for a fight. He couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. A Rottweiler is Lennox Lewis, he goes to church, he loves is mum, he's never in any bother, he's a big softy. This chap could probably kill you with one punch. Who is more rewarding of an asbo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Hehe, nice comparison. I understand what you're trying to say, I think the powers that be are trying to limit the number of Lennoxs being around the place Ie, they could deal with drunks on a regluar basis although theyre a pita... but the potential murderers they want a limit, unfair yes, they're just being over cautious for our sakes, so its not going to be popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Difficult one this, I can understand dogs that were bred for fighting or known to be particularly dangerous due to their power and likeliness of violence being banned, but I dunno about the rest.There's a gross misapprehension for a start. The fighting and bull breeds were traditionally known for their good nature with people. The way dog fights were conducted, and the conditions in which the dogs were kept, meant that any dog which showed aggression towards humans had a very short life expectancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Hehe, nice comparison. I understand what you're trying to say, I think the powers that be are trying to limit the number of Lennoxs being around the place Ie, they could deal with drunks on a regluar basis although theyre a pita... but the potential murderers they want a limit, unfair yes, they're just being over cautious for our sakes, so its not going to be popular. If Micheal Carrol or Lennox Lewis was up for eviction from this island, who'd you want chucked out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 There's a gross misapprehension for a start. The fighting and bull breeds were traditionally known for their good nature with people. The way dog fights were conducted, and the conditions in which the dogs were kept, meant that any dog which showed aggression towards humans had a very short life expectancy. I'm not going to argue this, but you cant deny that many of the reasons people end up with this dog is for the status of having a 'fighting dog' and many of those have been mistreated during their ownership anyway. I also tire of seeing big dogs being led around by chav kids who have no real control over the animal if it decided to go for someone. At the end of the day, like Michael.. I'm a cat person myself but I also like dogs, of all kinds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyclaws Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 At the moment yes, and it's wrong imo. Apparently we aren't allowed to compare dogs to cars, so I'll use people instead: A Yorky is a drunk Jay Kay who showers in stella and has a serious attitude problem, thinks he's as hard as nails and always spoiling for a fight. He couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. A Rottweiler is Lennox Lewis, he goes to church, he loves is mum, he's never in any bother, he's a big softy. This chap could probably kill you with one punch. Who is more rewarding of an asbo? Like the way you think lol. i shall use the same way to describe my cats, but using armed forces. Toffee (male) is like the french, Looks the part but runs away from a good scrap. Apple (female) is like our very own SBS, quiet, but is very cunning, and storms in to take on anything that trys to invade our garden, her coat has a slight DPM effect too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Bobbeh- they are banned. You have to register with the council if you have other certain breeds. Further down the scale than that and the present no risk AS A BREED. (Not saying individuals aren't possibly going to attack) Dogs of the Pit Bull "type", Dogo Argentino "type", Tosa "type", and Filia Brasiliero "type" are banned (they used the word "type" rather than "breed" in the legislation because it is impossible to scientifically distinguish one breed of dog from another -- genetically they are all wolves -- and they wanted carte blanche to kill any dog that looked vaguely like an American Pit Bull Terrier). There is no requirement to register any other breed of dog with the authorities, and given the length of time that the Dangerous Dogs Act has been in force, there can't be many, if any, registered Pit Bulls still alive (there never were any of the other three breeds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Bobbeh- they are banned. Yeah, thats why I said I can understand why they're banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share Posted September 28, 2006 Yeah so what I'm saying is that fighting dogs are already registered, Rottys (for example as they are in the limelight currently) were bred for herding livestock and such like and therefore are not fighthing dogs and in theory shouldn't present a threat as a breed generalisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 I'm not going to argue this, but you cant deny that many of the reasons people end up with this dog is for the status of having a 'fighting dog' and many of those have been mistreated during their ownership anyway. I also tire of seeing big dogs being led around by chav kids who have no real control over the animal if it decided to go for someone. At the end of the day, like Michael.. I'm a cat person myself but I also like dogs, of all kinds. I'd agree 100%. If the "devil dogs" in the Omen had been Black Labradors we'd be having this discussion about Labs, not Rottweilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 I'm not going to argue this, but you cant deny that many of the reasons people end up with this dog is for the status of having a 'fighting dog' and many of those have been mistreated during their ownership anyway. I also tire of seeing big dogs being led around by chav kids who have no real control over the animal if it decided to go for someone. At the end of the day, like Michael.. I'm a cat person myself but I also like dogs, of all kinds. So are we mate, so are we. It's the breed's history that appeals to the wrong people- these people shouldn't have a goldfish, never mind a dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share Posted September 28, 2006 Yeah, thats why I said I can understand why they're banned It's ok I can't read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyclaws Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Yeah so what I'm saying is that fighting dogs are already registered, Rottys (for example as they are in the limelight currently) were bred for herding livestock and such like and therefore are not fighthing dogs and in theory shouldn't present a threat as a breed generalisation. Very true,, Also, did you know that Rotties were also known as the Butchers dog in Germany many years ago. Butchers liked to have Rotties too.At the end of the month when the Butchers wanted to take their money to the bank, they would hang the money bag around the Rotties neck, this way, the money arrived safely,which is how they got that name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 It's ok I can't read. Its been a long day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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