ChrisSZ Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Anyone know where this is?? Matt Harwood's been round to help me try and get my car started - we got an error code 12 = crank position sensor. Problem is we can't sem to find it at all - no sign of any wiring going into that area at all:( Does anyone have any idea where/how we can find it/pics/anything please??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Chris, i doubt this helps but you never know. It is a breakdown from the parts catalogue of the crank position sensor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 21, 2006 Author Share Posted September 21, 2006 Cheers Colin, still can't see any sign of the bugger on the car though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 ain't it in the same place as a tt side of crank pulley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 21, 2006 Author Share Posted September 21, 2006 Supposedly but neither me nor Matt can seem to find it (Matt has plenty of experience with TTs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 i have a n/a engine laying in the front garden:d just had i quick look and its no were to be found:blink: i'll have a better look in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 22, 2006 Author Share Posted September 22, 2006 Well, got the car jacked up and under-tray removed (found an 8mm allen key I lost when I first got the car ) and still not sure if I can find the crank position sensor???? The nearest thing I can find is a slightly rusty cylinder (about 5in long) under/behind the alternator which seems to be bolted onto the underside of the water pump area. I can't see any wires coming out from it though or any sign of somewhere to connect wires. Most confusing grrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 I have had a search on supraforums and it seems like the na does not have one, as when people fit the aem ecu they need to also change the oil pump to a tt item so they can also fit a crank sensor, are you sure the error is crank sensor and not cam position sensor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 22, 2006 Author Share Posted September 22, 2006 Code 12 = crank position sensor - unless the error codes on an N/A are different?? Cam position sensor sounds more possible as that area has been "tampered with" recently! Any idea where this particular item is located please?? Cheers mate - dunno what this bit I've just taken off is then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 had a look at my spare engine today and there no crank sensor on the engine:search: the bit you have taken off is your timing belt tensioner so DO NOT TRY AND START YOUR ENGINE. and the tensioner will have to be pushed back and locked before refitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 22, 2006 Author Share Posted September 22, 2006 had a look at my spare engine today and there no crank sensor on the engine:search: the bit you have taken off is your timing belt tensioner so DO NOT TRY AND START YOUR ENGINE. and the tensioner will have to be pushed back and locked before refitting. Aw bollox:Pling: Cheers for the heads-up mate. I'll bung it back on tomorrow then (it's a real pain in the ass to get to ). Do you know if the error codes are different betwen an TTand an N/A? We get a code 12 - crank position sensor but if the car doesn't have one what's causing the code?? Cheers again :d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 i'll try doing a search as all i have at hand is data for a uk spec tt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markssupra Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Posted this in your other thread mate. The sensors are inside the distributor. Check the attachments for a description of error code 12. You have sensors for crankshaft angle and engine speed. See here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 So if it's in the dizzy it can only work correctly if the timing is correct and as long as the belt hasn't slipped a tooth or something then? As the Dizzy is only driven by the camshaft. Not saying it's wrong or anything, just seems strange, especially as the EPC shows a definite "Crank Position Sensor" for the NA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Cam position sensor sounds more possible as that area has been "tampered with" recently! Any idea where this particular item is located please?? Cam pos sensor is bolted into the cylinder head exactly where the rear engine hook is located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 22, 2006 Author Share Posted September 22, 2006 So if it's in the dizzy it can only work correctly if the timing is correct and as long as the belt hasn't slipped a tooth or something then? As the Dizzy is only driven by the camshaft. Not saying it's wrong or anything, just seems strange, especially as the EPC shows a definite "Crank Position Sensor" for the NA. Definately nothing there apart from the tensioner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 22, 2006 Author Share Posted September 22, 2006 Cam pos sensor is bolted into the cylinder head exactly where the rear engine hook is located. ...and a knackered sensor/lose connection would give a code 12?? I'll have a look for it tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 23, 2006 Author Share Posted September 23, 2006 OK, all bolted back together (cam belt tensioner refitted) - a) how do I reset the tension on the cambelt (do I need to since nothing was moved?)? and b) there is no sign of anything bolted into the head near the rear hook!! There's an earth strap on the right (drivers side) and what looks like a hole with a bolt either side (bolts still in place) on the other side! Conclusion = cam position sensor is located in the dizzy on a J-spec N/A. Does this sound right to people? What should be my next move (still got the code 12)?? cheers in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 there should be a guide on mkiv.com on how to change timing belt and reset tensioner it will be more clear than me trying to explain i have a complete distributor for sale if you get stuck on getting the internal parts:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 23, 2006 Author Share Posted September 23, 2006 Cheers Abs, I'll register and have a look. As to the dizzy - how much would you be looking for?? I'll se if I can get Matt Harwood to have a look at mine first and let you know. Cheers, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 I have had a look through the electrical component locator on the repair manual and on the epc, and I cant find anything for the ge engine regarding either cam or crank sensors, all the other sensors are there oil, water, knock, oxy, throttle, best asking Chris Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 I have had a look through the electrical component locator on the repair manual and on the epc, and I cant find anything for the ge engine regarding either cam or crank sensors, all the other sensors are there oil, water, knock, oxy, throttle, best asking Chris Wilson Er, you are right, weird. The EPC shows a picture of one, as you can search for the word "CRANK" and it comes up with the picture of it. BUT, when you click to get the part number it says "Not Applicable", strange. It is especially strange as the small bolt that it shows to hold it in place has a part number for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSZ Posted September 24, 2006 Author Share Posted September 24, 2006 Looking more and more like it's dizzy related then. Anyone know what a code 12 indicates on an N/A?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 Obviously doesn't mean Crank Sensor, maybe that's just the TT code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 Looking more and more like it's dizzy related then. Anyone know what a code 12 indicates on an N/A?? per manual No NE or G1 and G2 signal to ECU for 2 sec or more after cranking. (where NE G1 and G2 are the three 'pickup coils' in the distributor) there's a whole diagnostic chart and procedures etc Its ref EG-510 to 513 if someone with CJ's manual can pop this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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