Chris Wilson Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 D2 also states on their website When the components of the kit are worn, such the brake disc or brake pads, AP parts can be fitted onto our brake kit. Also, the brake pad and the following well-known brands AP, FERODO, MINTEX, EBC, PAGID, CARBON METALLIC and HAWK can fitted onto our kit. That's excellent then, so many makers of brake kits use their own unique backing plate design, so you are tied to their own, often poor, pad material, or you have to have pads water jetted from a larger pad in a compound that you really want. Likewise with discs, they often use their own mounting bell bolt PCD or spacing, again tying you to their own discs, or having to spend a fortune altering another makers to fit, if that's even possible. I apologise if I am opinionated on some (many) car related matters, it's just the way I am, and at my age I am unlkely to repent too much, although in my defence I DO get quite a lot of people saying they wished they had listened to me in the first place Anyway, have a great New Years day, which, in my opinion, is very over rated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Great posts Chris. Good to see some reality brought back into the discussion. I would have to seriously disagree on one point however. In my opinion it is New Years Eve that is very much overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico2006 Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Did we come to a conclusion? Im about to order a set of upgrade brakes in the next few days and keep coming back to look at the ebay ones.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Anyone who knows me will tell you how i drive my car... these so far seem far better than uks to me... but till i do a track day i will not be able to tell you what i really think... This is not guessing or hearsay or my mate etc.... This is first hand experience:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-rich Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 so you have done the high speed stops then jamie, glad they are good did you run them in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Yea ive done a few high speed stops now, had 1200 miles of me taking it very easy whilst i was running the engine in so brakes had plenty time to bed in. Im not saying for everyone to run out and buy them just yet... give me a couple more months of testing and ill report back but from what ive seen so far im impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I for one am very interested in how you get on Jamie, I might like to get some of these myself later in the year, funds permitting. Did you go for the larger of the two sizes? and all this about they must be rubbish because they havn't been used in real racing. On the D2 website isn't the first link on the menu information about the successful d2 racing team... Personally I'd think that if they are better than Uk's then they are very good value for money. I don't really loose much sleep over caliper rigidity since compared to the disks they are virtually indistructable no doubt. Do you know if they needed more or less wheel clearance than the uk spec calipers? Interested because I don't have masses of clearance with my current wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I went for the smaller of the 2 sizes because thats all he had. Not sure about the difference in size.. at a guess id say there about the same but you welcome to try one of your wheels over them if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 How much for the full kit front and rear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 £1050 for the fronts... rears are not available just yet but ive been told it will be soon, details on there site.. there is a link futher back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VELOCITY Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 These look VERY similer to the k-sport 8 post brakes and they do a 6 pot kit for the rears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebsteif Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Ksport and d2 using the same products, only the name is different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungy Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Just e-mailed Dave Burwash and keen to go and have a look at these and probably buy so i'll let you all know how I get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I don't really loose much sleep over caliper rigidity since compared to the disks they are virtually indistructable no doubt. I don't think you understand the issue of caliper rigidity. It is essential for brake feel, pad wear and braking efficiency. Pretty important stuff. Most big brake kits (even those of dubious quality) will *feel* better on the road due to brake torque increases from the larger rotors. So less pedal movement for the same retardation. But that has little t do with the ultimate ability of the brakes. Having said all that, these brakes could still be good. Time and testing will tell. A few easy tests with one of the new Gtechs or an AP22 would clear it all up. (Jamie, if you want, we can meet in a couple of months and get some comparitive data?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-rich Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 the rear kit is now available apparantley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 the rear kit is now available apparantley Where did you hear that from? I sent d2 a email a couple of weeks back and no reply yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I don't think you understand the issue of caliper rigidity. It is essential for brake feel, pad wear and braking efficiency. Pretty important stuff. Most big brake kits (even those of dubious quality) will *feel* better on the road due to brake torque increases from the larger rotors. So less pedal movement for the same retardation. But that has little t do with the ultimate ability of the brakes. Having said all that, these brakes could still be good. Time and testing will tell. A few easy tests with one of the new Gtechs or an AP22 would clear it all up. (Jamie, if you want, we can meet in a couple of months and get some comparitive data?) I believe I do understand. it is more that any doubts on caliper rigidity is purely (and highly) speculative at this stage and by far the biggest problem with cheapo brake kits are with poor quality disks. Especially if these are basically AP copies... and parts are interchangable - if they follow the same basic design then it's hard to see that any minor differences could be so drastic as to turn a really good design to complete rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-rich Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Where did you hear that from? I sent d2 a email a couple of weeks back and no reply yet. 01795 410105 i spoke to them on the phone rear kit for supra with6 pot calipers+356mm disc's £1410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Quick update. Im not sure what to do about these now as i can still overheat them, yesterday when mapping and braking hard for the roundabouts in MK they overheated. Im still running j-spec rears which i know will not be helping. I dont know if i should stick with the D2,s and fit there rear kit hoping that sorts it or bite the bullet and get a full front a rear brembo kit. Its money i could do without spending at the min but i have to have good bakes. Dont get me wrong these are still miles better than the uk's but maybe im expecting to much... i dunno:search: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Sounds more like a pad problem. With your power level 600c is a min and 800C optimum. Maybe fitting pads like Endlass CCR (pricey) and bedding them in easy for a few hundred miles may be the answer. The j spec rears will deffo loads the fronts. Not sure if the calipers have had a fair trial yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I had the front and rear Brembo kit on my Supra for a couple of years. Unfortunately I didn't get around to doing a track day, but for fast road use they were great, never had fade. Did a lot of autobahn driving in Europe too, with hard braking from very high speed. I have no experience of the D2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Can't really be a fair test with the J spec rears on mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebsteif Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 If you are want to sell them, keep me in mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Can't really be a fair test with the J spec rears on mate. Thats what im thinking, but dont want to spend the money on the d2 rears if there still the same... i dont know what to do really:search: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I had the front and rear Brembo kit on my Supra for a couple of years. Unfortunately I didn't get around to doing a track day, but for fast road use they were great, never had fade. Did a lot of autobahn driving in Europe too, with hard braking from very high speed. I have no experience of the D2. Yea there is no arguing the brembo kit will be the bollox but they have a hefty price tag to go with them:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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