Rob Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Because that's how the US govt works, cloaked in secrecy. It's no wonder these half-arsed theories spring up in such a climate. What people prefer to believe is that some secret govt agency is behind these atrocities, because that way, just maybe it can all be exposed and stopped. What really scares people is the idea that a load of religious nutjobs can kill thousands of people at once with no warning, and there's no way to stop it happening! How frightening is that? Really, give up on the conspiracy stuff, it wasn't a missile it was a big plane filled with people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSupra Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Just to play devil's advocate here, but how on earth do we know that video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon is actually real? Wouldn't be difficult to forge. "But why do it?" I hear you cry - why not? Piece of piss to post a video on the internet and before you know it, millions of people have seen it. Video definitely looks odd, whether the video's fake, or the picture is so warped due to the speed that the plane looks too small, or the whole thing is a big cover up (which I highly doubt). Also the other thing to consider is that I thought I remembered from the time is seeing a short path of destruction just before the actual Pentagon wall? Perhaps the plane hit the ground just before the wall??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSupra Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 They should've built the Pentagon outta this stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Believe half of what you see, and nothing that you hear because everyone has their own agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Loose Change doesn't make comfortable viewing. Not for those who blindly trust their governments, anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 They should've built the Pentagon outta this stuff it is, the pentagon was/is bomb proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSupra Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 it is, the pentagon was/is bomb proof. Uh? You sure? The Pentagon fell apart when the plane hit it, not like this wall - was basically untouched by the 500mph plane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Uh? You sure? The Pentagon fell apart when the plane hit it, not like this wall - was basically untouched by the 500mph plane well im not sure if its the exact same stuff but its true the pentagon is def bomb proof - hence why there was such little damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Presuambly, by bomb proof you mean, if a package goes off in a room, the room can contain the explosion or maybe the roof is like a concrete bunker to withstand the odd laser guided bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Uh? You sure? The Pentagon fell apart when the plane hit it, not like this wall - was basically untouched by the 500mph plane just playing devil advocate here - but the plane in the video is not a touch on the boeing.... which crashed into the pentegon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Presuambly, by bomb proof you mean, if a package goes off in a room, the room can contain the explosion or maybe the roof is like a concrete bunker to withstand the odd laser guided bomb. well i presume its meant to be able to withstand things like mortar attacks etc i worked for a bomb proofing firm here in the UK in London for a while tho and all we were doing was treating the glass in offices - this was to stop spears and shards of glass flying thru peoples heads,.but the pentagon is a diff ball game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4122141035109108276&q=911+pentagon+hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 You are forgetting the testimony of the many cops who followed the 757 down the road and watched it crash into the building. One rubbishy cctv video does not a conspiracy make. You right, but what about afterwards, wheres the bits of the plane, the engines it self cannot just simple disintigrate, no plane fragments? The size of the Hole in the building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 wheres the bits of the plane, the engines it self cannot just simple disintigrate Why not? Other than the wing-tips of that F4 that was test crashed into that block, nothing was left. The only reason the wing-tips survived was because they went either side of the block. What about the twin towers? I was watching a programme the other day where a fireman (I think) said that the largest bit of office equipment he found from the wreckage of the worlds largest office block, was half a piece of a telephone handset. The rest had disintegrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Why not? Other than the wing-tips of that F4 that was test crashed into that block, nothing was left. The only reason the wing-tips survived was because they went either side of the block. What about the twin towers? I was watching a programme the other day where a fireman (I think) said that the largest bit of office equipment he found from the wreckage of the worlds largest office block, was half a piece of a telephone handset. The rest had disintegrated. Lol, i work with Commercial Aircrafts (Trainee engineer) the 757 engines were mostly made of steal/Titanium composites and for it to disintigrate the fire would have had to be in the excess of 1700 degs' C, but the fuel for the 757 ( Kerosene) can only burn at a max 1100-1300 degs 'c dependent on amount, air density and time. Theres no way in hell it would have disintigrated the engines, a thought shared by many of my colleagues at work. 757's bring down the towers and yet the damage on the pentagon doesnt show the damage that would have been caused by such an aircraft, how about the blasts from the two rolls jet engines that should have blown trees over when the plane was pretty much parallel with the ground at over 400mph...there was none. They said the planed skidded along the lawn before hitting the Penatgon, why was the lawn pretty intacked? this can be clearly seen by pictures taken after? Makes me think. Im just playing devils advocate and like to keep an open mind, see here http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=Loose+Change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If you shunt a couple of hundred tonnes of anything into a fairly solid anything at a couple of hundred miles per hour then there isn't going to be much of feck all left. Can your colleagues explain why the engines of the planes that hit the towers weren't kicking about afterwards? It doesn't have to melt the material into a molten glob for it to not look like it did when it left the factory, if you see what I mean! Ti for example is very brittle.... It looks like the Pentagon plane hit the ground a hundred metres or so short of the building. That would have taken a good deal of energy out of the impact, depending on the angle it hit at, but it would have still been carrying a fair amount of speed into the wall of the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Im just playing devils advocate and like to keep an open mind, see here http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=Loose+Change Very interesting. But too many people would've to be involved in a conspiracy, it would be impossible to keep them all quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 The Devils advocate is a moron. (Try not to play him) End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If you shunt a couple of hundred tonnes of anything into a fairly solid anything at a couple of hundred miles per hour then there isn't going to be much of feck all left. Can your colleagues explain why the engines of the planes that hit the towers weren't kicking about afterwards? It doesn't have to melt the material into a molten glob for it to not look like it did when it left the factory, if you see what I mean! Ti for example is very brittle.... It looks like the Pentagon plane hit the ground a hundred metres or so short of the building. That would have taken a good deal of energy out of the impact, depending on the angle it hit at, but it would have still been carrying a fair amount of speed into the wall of the building. Erm...they did find major fragments belonging to the rolls rb199 at the towers (Remembers hundreds of thousands of tons of rubbel isnt going to leave much) The pentagon was different, there wasnt hundreds and thousands of tons of rubbel on top of it was there yet no recognisable fragments of a boeing 757...it probably was a plane just not a 757 mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 The Devils advocate is a moron. (Try not to play him) End of story. So is being a lemming. Having an open mind is more important. Just realised that its sept 11th, heart goes out to the families of the people that died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black cat Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 just watched the entire thing........ loads doesnt add up. cant see how it could have been covered up.. although no plane wreckage from pentagon and the woods?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 For anyone still believing in Loose Change try this http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons Do click on the Loose Change Guide at the bottom of the page for a blow by blow debunking of this film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 For anyone still believing in Loose Change try this http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons Do click on the Loose Change Guide at the bottom of the page for a blow by blow debunking of this film. Lol, that post has opened my eyes, i shall now follow, no questions asked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Mind you, having said all that, the cynic is me doubts those recent reports that MI6 and 5 foiled a huge plot to destroy planes. Whose to say it isn't all propaganda along the lines of "Look, aren't we great, we saved you but those pesky fundamentals eh? They're still at it eh? How about some more tax money for defence and decreased civil liberties?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Mind you, having said all that, the cynic is me doubts those recent reports that MI6 and 5 foiled a huge plot to destroy planes. Whose to say it isn't all propaganda along the lines of "Look, aren't we great, we saved you but those pesky fundamentals eh? They're still at it eh? How about some more tax money for defence and decreased civil liberties?" It does make me think as well Rob..Its difficult to know what is real anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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