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Running 1.4 bars on Hybrids, how safe is it ?


Matti85

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My car got (what the previous owner says is Hybrids)

Stock turbos went boom, and they took out the tubbies, had them reconditoned and upgraded to steel and ball bearing (dont know if they can be called hybrids just beacuse of that, how do you check ?)

 

Anyway i want to program my BC to run 1.0 bars standard and 1.4 bars on the second mode (when i race and so on)

 

Mods on car is these

Aftermarket BOV

Buddyclub exhaust

2nd Decat

Boost gauge

Greedy BC

Greedy BCC

 

Im thinking if its worth replacing the first cat, and put a downpipe there with 1.0 rec ring, or just let the cat be for MOT purpose and force the boost when running 1.4, what benefits will i gain without the cat in at the same bar level ?

 

And finally is it safe to run 1.4 bars on a basiclly stock Supra, have hear that there is some engine parts that can be overhetad, any true to this. Maybe i need to uprade the fuel pump to a Walbro in order to do this.

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You'll need more than just a fuel pump! You'll need bigger injectors (or at the very least an adjustable fuel pressure reg set to more than the stock pressure) plus a way of controlling your fueling - SAFC, Emanage, something like that. Then you'll need it setting up, or to do it yourself you'll want a wideband. The standard fueling is not up to 1.4 BAR.

 

And you definitely don't want the 1st cat in, it's very restrictive.

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Thought SAFC was controlling the airflow, maybe i need to read up more.

 

Have seen alot of guys running 1.4 without replacing the injectors, are you sure of this ?

1.4 will be seeing around 450bhp i think.

 

How hard is it to replace the injectors if it comes to that in the future.

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Thought SAFC was controlling the airflow, maybe i need to read up more.

 

Have seen alot of guys running 1.4 without replacing the injectors, are you sure of this ?

 

Its not reccomended for JDM Supras, but UK cars will be ok.

 

Throw in some 550cc injectors, Uprated fuel pump and something to control the fuelling, SAFC2 or Emanage blue will do the job.

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You can change the injectors, but you would need new o-rings, and make sure they were clean and flow tested. You would also need a resistor pack as the 550's are low impedance, and the 440's are high impedance.

 

Alternativlely you could future proof to an extent by getting power enterprise 650's which drop straight into the stock rail and would just need something to modify the fuelling as stated above for about 600 quid cleaned and flow tested.

 

Or you could get a full monty fuel system from PHR for about a grand at the moment - rail, injectors 850 or 1000, fuel line, FPR, twin in-tank pumps, though I am not sure how injectors this large would cope with running such small turbos, kind of like trying to feed a baby with a JCB....

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Saw these, they say it wont require any modding or resistor packs, fitts right in.

 

Power Enterprise

550cc, 650cc or 800cc injector,these injectors fit straight on to the Jap spec Supra's without the need for a resistor pack and re-wiring

£90

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you can run 1.4 bar on hybrids but as said above 650cc power enterprise injectors,FPR ,something to control the fuelling,a wideband gauge and most importantly an EGT gauge as you will be pushing the turbo pipework and housings to the limit pushing that much boost(especially on a hot day).Also a good boost gauge in case it starts to spike when it is cold .

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...Anyway i want to program my BC to run 1.0 bars standard and 1.4 bars on the second mode (when i race and so on)...

 

The real question is "safe for what"?

The turbos themselves?

The engine internals?

The ransmission?

...etc...

 

These do not all hit their limits at the same time.

Depending on your setup, a different part could be the 'weak' link under those conditions.

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Im confused on whifbitz injector pricing, is it relly 90£ each ?, that means it will be almost 600£ for 6x which seems to be what i need.

 

600 for Injectors

300 for the Saf

200 for the water injection kit

100 for the Walbro

50 for the gauges

 

Waw that is not cheep anymore =(, what was i thinking.

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Im confused on whifbitz injector pricing, is it relly 90£ each ?, that means it will be almost 600£ for 6x which seems to be what i need.

 

600 for Injectors

300 for the Saf

200 for the water injection kit

100 for the Walbro

50 for the gauges

 

Waw that is not cheep anymore =(, what was i thinking.

 

Are SAFC's still that much? I'd go for the emanage instead if they are. Water injection is not essential... neither are the gauges really.

 

Rest sounds about right prices.

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Im confused on whifbitz injector pricing, is it relly 90£ each ?, that means it will be almost 600£ for 6x which seems to be what i need.

 

600 for Injectors

300 for the Saf

200 for the water injection kit

100 for the Walbro

50 for the gauges

 

Waw that is not cheep anymore =(, what was i thinking.

 

Yes they are that much new. Why don't you check the For Sale section for second hand 550cc injectors from a UK spec? They will set you back about £200 at the most. You will need a resistor pack but they can be cheap too if you look :)

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I have a brand new Resistor Pack from Toyota and a spare rail with 550cc UK/US injectors already in it.

 

Make me a resonable offer and there yours if you want them.

 

I also have a FSE PBV with gauge and braided lines if you want to up the fuel pressure too :)

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Searched and found that Water Injection cost more then 300£, wont it be beter to aim for a Miami GT InterCooler, that goes for 399£.

 

They have both the same purpose right, so which one is beter to put money into, i should be easier to install the IC then Water injection system.

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A bigger than stock intercooler would be a good idea too if you haven't already thought about it.

 

And 550's will run hybrids to 1.4bar with some headroom too.

 

Oh, and you're only budgeting £50 for gauges. A wideband AFR gauge and sensor will run you about 5 times that, but you'll need it for your fuel controller. (As others have suggested, the E-Manage blue is good)

 

Did you really expect to get reasonable (and safe) power gains for a few quid? Sorry, but you don't get something for nothing without causing problems.

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