Supragal Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 OK, just bear in mind though that a good 90% + of threads that start like that end up out of control and needing moderation, so at silly oclock in the morning I don't blame mods for just dealing with it instead of sitting there like muppets desperate to get some sleep just in case something happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 You can't please all of the people all of the time. The thread creator had no problem with it being closed, the point of the thread had been made, and we're still trying to strike a balance with the new "respect" guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 It would be difficult / impossible to go through every thread like that and edit out inflammatory posts / their responses etc etc every time - especially because one person's idea of an inflammatory comment is another's freedom of speech. I don't blame the mods for simply closing the threads to save the hassle, but maybe if they remained open people would see more active moderation, with unnacceptable posts being removed, which in turn would show what you'll put up with and what you won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Feel free to carry on deleting my posts for no reason and not having the decency to inform me or keep up your standards by deleting similar posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I read the threads on http://www.gtr.co.uk in the Hoswie Hosted Rant Forum quite a bit. There's been some very good debates there, and the mods leave them alone unless things get *really* out of hand. It usually ends up in a slanging match between the usual 3 or 4 people, but if you can ignore the abuse there's some very valid and good points made. Any idiot can resort to abuse of plain racism, but there's nothing more entertaining that watching someone get torn to ribbons by someone articulate that really knows their stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Does this thread make me modest / modist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoriFan Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Does this thread make me modest / modist? probably half will say 'modest' the other half 'modist', lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Feel free to carry on deleting my posts for no reason and not having the decency to inform me or keep up your standards by deleting similar posts. Sorry, you expect a mod to contact every single person they ever delete a post from? If there is a need to explain the reason then I'm sure they would. That dig is clearly aimed at something that's got your back up, what was it in particular? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoriFan Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 i don't think this thread will really solve anything. guaranteed all of this will come up again and again. really it is quite simple to sort out, the threads are not the problem per se, it is how you deal with the people that make the 'offensive' comments. if there was a visible score or warnings and then resulting in temp ban thats the way to go. the threat is more often enough to stop the inflammatory comments. there needs to be accountability in the thread for people that go over the line and that is the easiest way to stop everything. some threads could be temporarily closed over night if there is a worry, but can easily be re-opened the next day when someone is around to keep an eye on things. in regard to 'respect' on a public forum, i would have thought it was a given as we are all adults. guess it isn't so after all. only recently has it got this bad, back in Oct 2005 when i joined you did get a few things spring up, but nothing major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 he wasnt made a mod i think .lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Sorry, you expect a mod to contact every single person they ever delete a post from? I would expect this. I've always adopted that system when moderating forums, otherwise people continue to make the same errors because they haven't been told why their last one was deleted. At the very least I'd expect the post to be edited and a note saying "unconstructive comments removed by mod" rather than being moved completely. But it's not my forum, I'm not a mod and I don't have any say on how you run things, just trying to help you to stop pissing off the members who pay the bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 So learn to moderate people then rather than taking the easy 'one click' solution. So everytime you make a sarcy remark and someone doesnt get your sense of humour i should moderate your posts as they take offence. I understand what your saying and the one click option isnt the easiest this thread proves it but sometimes its the best way to stop a argueement. People dont forget and will keep bringing it up. Jamie P's thread's last night are a perfect example, removed a thread so he posted another, if we removed just a post then he may of just reposted. Thorin - which posts of yours in particular have been deleted? As I dont remember seeing any, only threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Has Keith C been doing the 'new mod' workshop again? j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I would expect this. Sure you're getting confused between threads and posts? You can't possible expect a mod ot contact every single person that has posted in a 20 page thread (for example) to say why? But yes contact with the thread starter would be right most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Has Keith C been doing the 'new mod' workshop again? j/k eee... you'd cause an argument in an empty house you would... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Out of interest. Can a specific post be edited by a mod and then locked so the original poster can't change it back? And if a thread is deleted can you leave the first post and edit it to say "thread removed for content"?? Rather than it disappearing into the ether? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoriFan Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Sure you're getting confused between threads and posts? You can't possible expect a mod ot contact every single person that has posted in a 20 page thread (for example) to say why? But yes contact with the thread starter would be right most of the time. I agree with what you say, it would be overkill contacting each time with a personal reason. and make your moderating a whole lot more complicated. but, the forum could always have a script running, that would auto-reply to the person who's post is deleted, just to let them know it happened, sort of like 'your post has been deleted' nothing more than that, unless you can tie it to the individual post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 So everytime you make a sarcy remark and someone doesnt get your sense of humour i should moderate your posts as they take offence. If you deem them unsuitable then feel free to, as long as you contact me stating valid reasons why my opinions are being singled out and are willing to enter into discussion about your moderation I'm happy for you to do this. Just so long as the same rules are applied when I take offence to other people's posts and the rules are stated clearly and enforced to the letter. Jamie P's thread's last night are a perfect example, removed a thread so he posted another, if we removed just a post then he may of just reposted. Did anyone contact him to state why the post had been removed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Sure you're getting confused between threads and posts? No, I leave that one to the mods You can't possible expect a mod ot contact every single person that has posted in a 20 page thread (for example) to say why? But yes contact with the thread starter would be right most of the time. Thread starter and those that have caused a thread to be locked (threads shouldn't be deleted IMO) should be contacted and the error of their ways pointed out. If it's decided that a thread is getting locked the final comment being put in place by a mod to explain why this has happened, that way those involved in the thread are informed without the need to contact them individually. But with good moderation no thread should need to be locked or deleted, if the individuals causing the problems (and I'm opening myself up for attack now ) are dealt with then threads should be able to run their course and die naturally. All just IMO of course, it's your forum, I'm just here to tow the line and make the odd comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoriFan Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 So everytime you make a sarcy remark and someone doesnt get your sense of humour i should moderate your posts as they take offence. I understand what your saying and the one click option isnt the easiest this thread proves it but sometimes its the best way to stop a argueement. People dont forget and will keep bringing it up. Jamie P's thread's last night are a perfect example, removed a thread so he posted another, if we removed just a post then he may of just reposted. Thorin - which posts of yours in particular have been deleted? As I dont remember seeing any, only threads. my reply is not directed at Michael, he just happened to be in your original reply. the best way to stop this is as per my post #34. if someone is warned publicly by a Mod they more than often will stop there and then. if not take it further. otherwise, the same thing will crop up again and again, under different guises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoriFan Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 can we have a sin-bin for frequent thread troublemakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 can we have a sin-bin for frequent thread troublemakers Can you make sure it has a comfy chair so I don't get piles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoriFan Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Can you make sure it has a comfy chair so I don't get piles. fair enough lol sofa, nice chair or leather Supra front seat ? and a rubber ring in case of emergency pile treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Sorry, you expect a mod to contact every single person they ever delete a post from? Erm yes i think they should, you talk as though there are hundereds of them deleted every day, surely the number of deleted threads cant be that many thats its not possible to give a reason why its been deleted to each one. Mine was deleted, at the time i assumed it was a system error so i posted the thread again. My mistake was that i posted it in another forum accidently. Had i been aware it was 'deleted' i would have not done the same thing twice. I have seen this happen a few times before, where newbies post there services and the thread is deleted...and they post the thread again purely and simply because they hadn't realised it was deleted and assumed it was some sort of system error. You have the power to delete then surely you must back up your actions to the offending member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondango Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Can Micheal please keep on topic, and will Kaorifan chill a little please... ------------------------- OK everyones had their say, thread closed. ------------------------------------------- thats 2 examples of moderating, 1 good and 1 bad........ Moderating means just that - moderating, keeping an eye on things and stepping in when they feel its needed, but in the correct manner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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