steve0 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 hi folks is there much you can do to make the supra handle better in the rain i know it sound silly but im always worried that the tails going to come out so i always take it easy when it pisses down i saty in scotland so when it rains it rains so is they mucj you can do or would be better to keep the supra away for the damp months and buy a fwd or 4wd or can there be much done thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Rltc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naybad Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Have the same prob it just loves to rain in hear in scotland. But hay just need to take it a bit more easy untill the snow comes that is going to be intresting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0 Posted August 18, 2006 Author Share Posted August 18, 2006 ye snow that will be fun where abouts you from naybad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Orido could outhandle an Evo in his 600bhp+ Supra without traction control.. you just have to learn how to handle a RWD car in the wet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsupraman82 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 hi guys sorry to but into thread, but i was thinking of traction control do 94 N/As have it? also what the hell is that little black switch to the right of the ignition? anyone know?? it has a little red light on it. and while im here how do you out new threds/posts on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Once you're confident with heavy, high powered, RWD cars wet weather can be a lot of fun Just take it easy until you're Very familar with the car. RLTC is very good for keeping things straight, but IMO most 'true' drivers won't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 hi guys sorry to but into thread, but i was thinking of traction control do 94 N/As have it? also what the hell is that little black switch to the right of the ignition? anyone know?? it has a little red light on it. and while im here how do you out new threds/posts on here! To the right of the ignition there is nothing on a stock NA car. Its likely someone has retro-fitted a rear fog light switch. Not sure if the NA's come with traction control as standard - either way the stock system is next to useless - some would even say dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsupraman82 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 im not sure i have seen it on other supras i wish i had a pic to show you its a round switch if that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supRo Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 To the right of the ignition there is nothing on a stock NA car. Its likely someone has retro-fitted a rear fog light switch. Not sure if the NA's come with traction control as standard - either way the stock system is next to useless - some would even say dangerous. Darryl, I managed to aquaplane at about 55 mph (flash flooding...) - the stock traction control came in straight away - I think mines would have been a write off otherwise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 im not sure i have seen it on other supras i wish i had a pic to show you its a round switch if that helps Its not standard then. Turn your lights on then turn the switch it on and see if you have fog lights lit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Darryl, I managed to aquaplane at about 55 mph (flash flooding...) - the stock traction control came in straight away - I think mines would have been a write off otherwise! No traction control in the world will save you from Aquaplaning as you are effectivly on top of the water. Common mis-comception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supRo Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 No traction control in the world will save you from Aquaplaning as you are effectivly on top of the water. Common mis-comception. Wouldn't slower speed/wheels spinning slower help stop the skating effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Hydroplaning (called aquaplaning in Europe and Asia) occurs when water on the roadway accumulates in front of your vehicle's tires faster that the weight of your vehicle can push it out of the way. The water pressure can cause your car to rise up and slide on top of a thin layer of water between your tires and the road. While hydroplaning your vehicle rides on top of the water, like a water skier on a lake. In less than a second, your car can completely lose contact with the road, putting you in immediate danger of sliding out of your lane. This usually happens at higher speeds, over 40 miles per hour. Try to imagine your vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed on a sheet of ice: that image approximates what will happen if you try to brake or steer while hydroplaning. The 3 main factors that contribute to hydroplaning: Vehicle speed. As speed increases, wet traction is considerably reduced. Since hydroplaning can result in a complete loss of traction and vehicle control, you should always reduce speed, paying attention to the traffic around you. Tire tread depth. As your tires become worn, their ability to resist hydroplaning is reduced. Water depth. The deeper the water, the sooner you will lose traction, although even thin water layers can cause a loss of traction, including at low speeds. Let's examine what happens to a tire in the midst of a hydroplane. When entering a puddle, the surface of the tire must moves the water out of the way in order for the tire to stay in contact with the pavement. The tire compresses some of the water to the sides, and forces the remaining water through the tire treads. With good tires, a moderate rate of precipitation, and a well-drained roadway surface, hydroplaning rarely occurs below 55 mph. However, if any of those conditions are not met, it can happen at speeds as low as 35 mph. On a smooth polished road in moderate rain at 60 mph, each tire has to displace about a gallon of water every second from beneath a contact patch no bigger than a size nine shoe. Each gripping element of the tread is on the ground for only 1/150th of a second; during this time it must displace the bulk of the water, press through the remaining thin film, and then begin to grip the road surface. Although bald tires give better grip on dry roads than treaded tires, they are unsafe in rain because water is a lubricant on rubber. (Also, punctures are more common in the rain.) Hydroplaning science - Hydroplaning is the result of your tires moving quickly across a wet surface - so fast that they do not have sufficient time to channel that moisture away from the center of the tire. The result is that the tire is lifted by the water away from the road, losing all traction. Of course the word 'quickly' is a relative term. Tread design, tread depth, weight of your vehicle, tire pressure, depth of water and even the consistency of that water - (whether it is highly aerated or not, for example) - all play a part in determining at what speed the tire will begin to hydroplane. It is a pretty safe bet to assume that any speed in excess of 60 MPH is fast enough to support hydroplaning regardless of the other variables. This is not to say that at 55 MPH you are safe, however. The exact point at which your vehicle becomes waterborne (transition point in the above diagram) is complicated and depends on all of the following variables: tire size - the size and shape of a tire's contact patch has a direct influence on the probability of a hydroplane. The wider the contact patch is relative to its length, the higher the speed required to support hydroplaning. tire tread pattern - certain tread patterns channel water more effectively, reducing the risk of hydroplaning. tire tread depth - as your tires become worn, their ability to resist hydroplaning is reduced. tire pressure - keep your tire pressure within the manufacturers recommended pressures. water depth - the deeper the water, the sooner you will lose traction, although at higher speeds even thin water layers can cause a loss of traction. water composition (oil, temperature, dirt, & salt can change its properties and density) vehicle drive-train: because of their computer-assisted differentials, all-wheel-drive vehicles are more likely to hydroplane than two wheel drive vehicles in certain situations. A sudden uncontrolled transfer of power from the front tires to the rear tires can put a hydroplaning AWD vehicle out of control. vehicle speed - as speed increases, wet traction is considerably reduced. Since hydroplaning can result in a complete loss of traction and vehicle control, you should always reduce speed. vehicle weight - the lighter the vehicle, the more likely it is to hydroplane. road surface type - non-grooved asphalt is considerably more hydroplane-prone than ribbed or grooved concrete surfaces. How can you tell that you're hydroplaning? It is often hard to tell when you are hydroplaning. The rear end of your vehicle may feel a little squirrelly (loose, giving you the sensation that it has moved to one side or the other), especially in a high crosswind. The steering may also suddenly feel loose or little too easy. Watch the road ahead for standing or running water. You can also pay attention to the spray being kicked up by the cars in front. If it suddenly increases it's possible that the driver has hit a patch of water that could cause you to hydroplane. What to do if you start to hydroplane - There are two absolutely essential no-no's to remember should you experience the beginning of hydroplaning: Do not apply your brakes Do not turn your steering wheel If you find yourself hydroplaning, do not brake or turn suddenly. This could throw your car into a skid. Think of your steering wheel as the rudder of a boat(your vehicle is a boat when in the middle of a hydroplane). Hold the wheel firmly and don't steer in any other direction but straight ahead. Ease your foot off the gas until the car slows and your steering returns to normal. If you need to brake, do it gently with light pumping actions. If your car has anti-lock brakes, then brake normally; the car's computer will mimic a pumping action, when necessary. If your vehicle’s tires are still in partial contact with the road surface, you should be able to regain control of the vehicle in the same way that you would on snow or ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Wouldn't slower speed/wheels spinning slower help stop the skating effect? Opposite mate. faster turning wheels will help get more grip since the tyre's can clear more water. 3 members with rltc have written off their cars due the this very reason. edit - or see above for more details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsupraman82 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 you can see it on this pic of another soop there is a red light next to the ignition and then the switch next to it exactly the same as mine! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsupraman82 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 this would be better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra-lover Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 hi folks is there much you can do to make the supra handle better in the rain i know it sound silly but im always worried that the tails going to come out so i always take it easy when it pisses down i saty in scotland so when it rains it rains so is they mucj you can do or would be better to keep the supra away for the damp months and buy a fwd or 4wd or can there be much done thanks o my god,,,,,,,,,,,,,, erm just slow down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supRo Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Opposite mate. faster turning wheels will help get more grip since the tyre's can clear more water. 3 members with rltc have written off their cars due the this very reason. edit - or see above for more details I shat myself, didn't do anything with the steering or pedals (didn't even have time to think) and luckily gained traction again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 you can see it on this pic of another soop there is a red light next to the ignition and then the switch next to it exactly the same as mine! lol The light appears to be an alarm warning light. The switch just to the right of that is a generic switch which almost always is used for rear fog lights. (Jap specs don't have them as stock but they're required to pass SVA hence them always being retrofitted) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terribleturner Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 you can see it on this pic of another soop there is a red light next to the ignition and then the switch next to it exactly the same as mine! lol Yeah i'm betting money it's for your rear fog light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redsupraman82 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 cool! thanks for clearing that up for me. i can sleep better now i know what it does! however when i switch it on no fog lights come on! anyhoo that dont matter anyway at least i now know what it does!! thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Personally I look forward to the rain [sHOCK][/sHOCK] http://www.mkivstore.com/m-jaydrift.wmv Linky not working... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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