Darren-K Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Sorry - I dont think that this is correct. Where did this info come from? the info came from me, i made my statement because since when was it ok for gay marraiges ? is it not a sin ? yet they are being conducted albeit under a different wording,. nonetheless there being carried out in churches..... also,there are openly homosexual and lesbian priests, is same sex relations a sin or not ? how can the church allow this ? its a makory of religion. * its also a sin to take a life., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I believe in youthanasia. Let's help all the chav kids commit suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 the info came from me, i made my statement because since when was it ok for gay marraiges ? is it not a sin ? yet they are being conducted albeit under a different wording,. nonetheless there being carried out in churches..... also,there are openly homosexual and lesbian priests, is same sex relations a sin or not ? how can the church allow this ? its a makory of religion. * its also a sin to take a life., How does that equate to your earlier statement that Catholicism is virtually gone in the UK and USA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 A very emotive subject and one that I don't think (including me) fully grasp in the sense that at the beginning it may only be the terminally ill (who says they are terminal). But as the old and infirm and other injured people create an increasing burden on the younger generation, would this not slip to include those in a comma, those who are currently functional but have a terminal illness, those who's injuries will mean they are disabled for the rest of their natural life. Where would it end. And then look at it the other way, what if your child was born with a terminal illness, to the extant they will die in say 3-4 years, should they be 'put down' at birth. There is too much at stake to make a simple yes i agree, no I don't answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSupra Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Wonder if there is any way we could carry cards like doner cards to say if in a given situation I trust my mother/father/brother etc etc or whoever to make the call. 99.9999% of people will never have to need it but just an idea??? I'm absolutely for it, but it would somehow need to be regulated, and the trouble is - where do you draw the line and who makes that final call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Calm down and get back on topic, frickers -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 How does that equate to your earlier statement that Catholicism is virtually gone in the UK and USA? well how can anyone take Catholicism or christianity seriously ? reading thru my explanation above ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHanky Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I totally agree that someone has the right to die if life is just going to be full of pain and something that barely resembles a life. Of course their would have to be a lot of red tape to cover the various what if scenarios, i.e what happens if someone suddenly ends up in a position where their life sucks and they did not have the chance to discuss with next of kin and sign forms etc. I had to watch my dad in a coma 7 years ago as he had a fit in his sleep and lost a lot of oxygen to his brain which basically made him a cabbage. It sucked and despite the fact that I would of loved my dad to wake up and be his old self, this was never going to happen. In the end he died which is what me and my family wanted at this point as he would of had a shit life had he awoken. This is something that I know he would never of wanted, being the active fun dad that he was. Still miss him and his rubbish jokes Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I voted yes, having just watched my uncle die last week. He was in a lot of pain towards the end, gradually increasing morphine counts until he was on 100% and just waited for him to die knowing there was no more they could do, and that no-one wanted to make the decision to switch off the ventilator. He would have probably never been able to make the call earlier though, such was his pain that he had to be sedated most of the time. Very tough subject this one. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 i made my statement because since when was it ok for gay marraiges ? is it not a sin ? Depends how much you believe in that religious clap trap, God, Jesus the Devil and all that shite. Personally I consider it a sin to go off topic in a thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I wish this option had ben available for my Father too...! There is much interesting reading both for and against - just a balance here autonomy argument - I want it compassion argument - they deserve it The Christian case of 6th Commandment and the potential compromise of the doctors christian (or other religions?) conscience Slippery slope syndrome - at what stage do we grant this and what is to stop it widening and open to abuse - what about people with disabilities and with no 'quality' of life - does the state then decide / parents decide? Volantary euthanasia - verbal or written - what if they change their mind? Find God at the last moment? What if they cant speak English properly and requests are open to interpretation? Patients cognitive functions - who judges at what stage of degeneration is this is granted and can you imagine the number of cases decided by courts / judges etc. when family object. How far divided from the legalising of the death sentence are we then? Controlling it - good old Howard Shipman did it in for this one. In Holland only approx 25% of 'assisted' suicides (I believe) have been actually notified to the authorities for fear of red tape and investigations into the doctors actions / death certificates written Whilst personally I find the idea appealing. politically it is just such a difficult decision. I dont think we can ever see it happening. The House of Lords scuppered it back in 1994 - and you only have to look at a bloody debate on Fox Hunting to realise what a load of cobblers that bastion of our system is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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