Dragonball Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Paul, no offence buddy....but stick to selling parts... Sorry the irony went above your head Oh... and please dont patronise me 'buddy', your attitude portrays to your lack of objectivity and perhaps highly symptomatic of the problems... Perchance, as an 'educated' man you might try seeing two sides of the arguement instead of the entrenched and ridiculous bias which these people only seem capable of... I, like most fair minded people have an abhorance (look it up!) of anything that people believe can be expressed in terms of 'black and white' The USA and Isreal are bullies - and lord knows that the white house is presided over by, at the very least, a fool - but the all states have a right to existance! The principle belief of the terrorist organisations funded by Syria and Iran etc is that the state of Isreal must not exist.. no compromise! This is not a rational or understandable belief - it just IS... there will never be peace there... And it has nothing to do with which side of the religious divide you happen to find yourself born... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 That link on PH makes interested reading (well OK the top 10 posts or so that I read!) But I have a question. Who decided to take the land of the Palestinians and give it to the Israeli's? Why was that particular area chosen? I mean why wasn't it, for the sake of arguement, Wales? I mean fair enough it's at the centre of their religion, but not every catholic lives in Vatican city do they? See what I mean? Anyway, I'd be interested to learn more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 ive never fully understood whats going on there,tho i know its been going on many years., please correct me if im wrong - IS it like this -> Isreal and beirut are like England +Wales,. ( both seperate but border each other ) but at some point isreal said ., no we want more of your land because its realy ours - so Isreal took more land from beirut ? hence they want there land back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Did someone buy Paul E a Thesaurus for his birthday or did the clinic send him on a "wordy bollocks" course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 8, 2006 Author Share Posted August 8, 2006 Did someone buy Paul E a Thesaurus for his birthday or did the clinic send him on a "wordy bollocks" course? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyclaws Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Never thought much of that bloke, but after watching that video, I ws impressed, he is right, the media twist the news so it is better for them, some newspapers are just pure scum in my eyes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 8, 2006 Author Share Posted August 8, 2006 Never thought much of that bloke, but after watching that video, I ws impressed, he is right, the media twist the news so it is better for them, some newspapers are just pure scum in my eyes, Agree - Need more people that know about the subject and have the balls to air their views despite the fact that their views might not be popular. Too many namby pamby arse lickers around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Sorry the irony went above your head Perchance, as an 'educated' man you might try seeing two sides of the arguement instead of the entrenched and ridiculous bias which these people only seem capable of... .. So why is most of the news regarding the Mid East always bias and makes the arabs look like Terrorists and the Isralis the victims? Galloway's statement opened up alot of eyes, even members on this forum are asking questions about the conflict no. you talk about two sides of the argument, up until Galloways interview there was only one side of the argument that was begin shown by the media and you very well know it. Its always been, israil's are the good ones, hizbullah are the terrosrists and thats what the media in most cases always potrays. When Galloway was talking sense, and showing the viewers that there are acually two sides of this conflict and that hizbullah are not terrorists you could sense how much they wanted to cut off him, but it woudnt have been wise because he was Live on air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 It's much easier if you just regard all of them as being the bad ones, at the end of the day it's Bruce Willis and Steven Segal that are the ones to sort all this mess out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 It's much easier if you just regard all of them as being the bad ones, at the end of the day it's Bruce Willis and Steven Segal that are the ones to sort all this mess out. Agreed, Make a hell of film....you sure you want Segal though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 What about 'The Rock'? laying down some serious action *grin* (especially in The Rundown')....could be interesting...each side can pick a film star to battle it out on their behalf... Winner decideds outcome.... In all seriousness as wkdtime pointed out, in the very beginning of this I assumed (incorrectly in my view now), that hizbollah kidnapped 2 soliders and the israeli's went in to get them back, which in a media enforced view is correct, however when the facts started coming out my opinion changed somewhat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Agreed, Make a hell of film....you sure you want Segal though? Segal for the cookery more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 8, 2006 Author Share Posted August 8, 2006 Agreed, Make a hell of film....you sure you want Segal though? Weird Al Yankovic dressed as an Isreali Rambo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Segal for the cookery more than anything. He aint no cook, Hes ex seal, bomb expert, arms experts, weapons experts, martial art black belt, taiquando black belt, fujitsu expert, anti terrorist expert, chemical expert, bio weapon expert. personally i call BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Griffo Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 ...and talking in a hushed overly-calm-for-the-situation voice do not forget! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyclaws Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I'm for the Rock, segal is is boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Who decided to take the land off the Palestinians and give it to the Israelis? Why was that particular area chosen? I mean why wasn't it, for the sake of argument, Wales? I mean fair enough it's at the centre of their religion, but not every Catholic lives in Vatican city do they? See what I mean? Anyway, I'd be interested to learn more.... Google Balfour declaration British mandate in Palestine and if you want to learn that some things never change, that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, and that some people really do believe that the end justifies ANY means.... Stern gang / Lehi Irgun Haganah (Hagganah? Haggenah?) Grand Mufti of Jerusalem St David's Hotel Menachem Begin Yitzhak Shamir Just be aware that a lot of stuff on the net is, shall we say, a little biased (if not virulently racist). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Okay, I'll mention something that is bound to get people up in arms... Nelson Mandela... hero or terrorist.... (Now please note I've lived in SA, so don't tell me I don't know what I'm speaking about)... while I'm glad things are slowly getting sorted out, are people aware that he was convicted of planting a bomb with the aim of killing people.... very much a case of one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist.... My 2c, and by no means constitutes a valid view..apply any long disclaimer you want, however I've mentioned this purely to raise a point. I personally believe that he has done a lot of good lately, and as such has been a good figurehead even if it was a rocky start.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Did someone buy Paul E a Thesaurus for his birthday or did the clinic send him on a "wordy bollocks" course? Micheal. *sigh* one day when you come blinking into the sunlight and realise that real girls exist you might aspire to achieving half my IQ m8! I object to fundamentalism in any form - I really dont care if Palestine or Jew... And FS sake stop waving bloody history lessons on how we buggered up back then... the situation is now... or do we go down the Hitlerism route being bandied so ridiculously by the Isrealis? Please dont use the net and forum to foister obvious idealogical propaganda - I would object to this kind of post if from any angle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Okay, I'll mention something that is bound to get people up in arms... Nelson Mandela... hero or terrorist.... (Now please note I've lived in SA, so don't tell me I don't know what I'm speaking about)... while I'm glad things are slowly getting sorted out, are people aware that he was convicted of planting a bomb with the aim of killing people.... very much a case of one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist.... My 2c, and by no means constitutes a valid view..apply any long disclaimer you want, however I've mentioned this purely to raise a point. I personally believe that he has done a lot of good lately, and as such has been a good figurehead even if it was a rocky start.... could you tell us a little bit about his wife and her "football team" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdtime Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Please dont use the net and forum to foister obvious idealogical propaganda - I would object to this kind of post if from any angle... Lol..simple...stay away from this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Micheal. *sigh* one day when you come blinking into the sunlight and realise that real girls exist you might aspire to achieving half my IQ m8! I see the newly discovered intellect doesn't extend to spelling names then? An IQ of 20 is something I really do crave... one day... one day when the tablets kick in, not too fussed on the real girls though, I heard those things have a habit of talking and smell of flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 George Galloway is an inteligent man, who in the past has backed the underdog, somewhat like a sandle wearing tree hugging left wing pansy, and at other times been a traitor (to the 'current' trend of thought in the UK and US Govt). That he continues to evade thier hunts for him and make mockeries of them on live tv (remember the US congresional hearings on weither he took bribes from Sadam?) makes it obvious that people continually underestimate him. At the end of the day he is also an anti-semite. He is calling Hezbola (spelling) an Army, and Israle (spelling) a terroist state. Bit of a funny turnaround there, as an Army in the 'traditional' sence of the term is a uniform formation of a nation/state. Hezbolla is neither, more an army of patriots/religious zelots (a bit like the US Army during the War of Indipendance perhapes?) But, no matter how you try to pose the term Army, you have to judge them by thier actions. One hides in civilian areas, and has no noticable state of dress to tell them apart from genuine non-combatants (a point that MUST be adhered to as far as the Geneva Convention and the Rules of War are concerned) and the other is a uniformed organisation. This is the basis for the Isralies actions, because if Hezbolla were uniformed and located in an area (barracks, military areas etc) then they would have attacked, and tried to destroy. As it is that is what they have done, but as Hizbolla have hidden thier infrastructure in residential areas and civilian non-combatent zones then Iraral is hitting all zones. (Possibly a tactic long decided for by the Hizbolla leaders, in order to gain World/Arab backing against Isral for attacking 'innocent' civilians). And thus bringing world calls of 'War Crimes'. All well and good but the first crimes were commited by an unit that has no nation/state to prosicute, where as the Isralie Army does. Now seeing as Hezbolla IS a organisation that does not have (overt and legitimat) state backing the only way they can fight is by using the tactics of terrorism. Hezbolla were without a doubt primed and put 'upto' this action by the states backing it, Syria and Iran. Iran has stated many times that it wants Israle removed from the face of the Earth. There was also possibly a large amount of stage manegment on the part of the US as well. The basic's are if Hezbolla get into difficulty I see Iran/Syria 'mobilising' forces into the area. And Israle turning to its allies, the US for help. This COULD be the excuse that the shaved chimp in the white house (who, by the way is a rabid fundimenatist christian) has been looking for so he can launch Operation Persian Freedom. Either way, this is larger than the sum parts fighting at the moment. Two old advesaries are at it and world opinion is warped towards the Israle point of view due to the Holocuast, but is slowly changing. At the end of the day, the Israles know that thier back is against the wall (as they see not only Hezbolla against them but everyone against them, the rest just havent climbed in the ring yet) and will behave like a cornered animal, and will use all thier considerable might to win. They have done so in all of the war's (Yom Kippur, Seven day War,etc) that were aimed at them until the war was won. Which was how they the victor gained the land that is so often in dispute. That was until the countries ranged against them saw 'sence' and stopped attacking them (Yom Kippur was on a Jewish holiday and was a supposed 'sure thing' but the Egytians didnt factor in the Isralie fighting spirit) and went down 'other' less obvious routes. Like sponsoring and suporting terrorist organisations like Hezbolla, Hamas, A-Q etc. It will not end as the entire region is becoming more and more fundimentalised due to the fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Just before some of you get really carried away talking about stuff you dont really have any ties to you should know Im half Lebanese. Not that Im easily offended or anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Just before some of you get really carried away talking about stuff you dont really have any ties to you should know Im half Lebanese. Not that Im easily offended or anything Glad you not offended as there only peoples opinions of media interpretation. Do you think other governments should interfere? I am not so sure. Think we should sort out are own doorsteps before 'helping' others. Our country isnt exactly on its way up in been a nice place to live. Anyway just my 2pence worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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