HID Headlamp Kit

[Guest Mycroft]

Oh dear, I'm gonna upset Flavio now.

 

It is not illegal to modify our lighting systems here in the UK, we have no mainland border with Germany or any means of driving onto German soil directly so the Euro guidelines that restrict you, namely sections 49 to 54 a/e exc, c. of the StVZO VH & LR (FMVSS/CUR) do not apply here, we have like other 'Island states' within the EU can evoke the simpler regional ECE-R 48-×× (Geneve) or the 7×× series amendments (EEC Bruxelles). (Please try to stay awake)

 

As I said the guidelines are being issued for stations to take particular note of any retro-fitted HID systems, in simple terms;

 

Change if you can afford to.

Be aware that you are putting your licence on the line.

Keep your old bulbs for the MOT.

 

Oh, I can remove my Soarer cats totally legally, drive past the filf and present the car to the MOT bay without them and not a word said against it.

 

Somebody say it doesn't happen? 677 cases in 99/00 (last year figures available)

ALL proven, 498 maximum fine/points (both) the rest varied. It does happen and more often than you think. (Magistrates Compendium and Register.)

Whoops, that figure includes 'over power' lamps in it, I shall hve to delve a little deeper, cos I recall it being nearer 150 when I last looked, sorry.

 

(Edited by Mycroft at 6:50 pm on April 2, 2002)

 

 

(Edited by Mycroft at 7:06 pm on April 2, 2002)

[Flavio]

Wow, Lord Mycroft, I guess there are not a lot of things you don't know everything about. I'm not upset though, I'm always willing to learn.

 

I guess European rules are stricter in this respect than the UK rules, but at least they don't throw you in jail for a year for speeding!

 

Flavio

 

 

[Guest Ash]

 

 

I was always of the understanding that the UK spec had both self-levelling lights and a manual adjustment. It seemed to me a bit "belt and braces" and only having a J-spec the answer never really had any significance.

 

As an aside, it always amazes me, Mycroft, about how certain types of people have no real idea about of how "the filth" as you call them, truly operate. I knew this uniformed-human-like-void-of-thought-being once who claimed he could stitch anyone up for anything if he wanted.

 

Forewarned is truly forearmed, and no more so than today. Though I guess most typical people have nothing to  fear as the frivolous and inane will never come close to being entered on the "banning agenda."

 

Yours,

J  

[Ian C]

Quote: from Flavio on 7:08 pm on April 2, 2002[br]Wow, Lord Mycroft, I guess there are not a lot of things you don't know everything about. I'm not upset though, I'm always willing to learn.

 

Flavio

 

Just for your additional info, Flavio, the FMVSS quoted is actually the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard.  They get their rules and regs from the NHSTA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), and they have only reached the stage of request for comments regarding HID and 'blue bulb' upgrades to cars.  

 

Also, it's (as the names give away) an American standards/legal body, and therefore affects us not one jot *anyway*.

 

Dunno why it was mentioned.  I guess it sounded impressive, or something.  I've given up asking, being the cereberally challenged, non-technical, clumsy, unthinking, bewildered-leading-the-blind muppet* Mycroft has spotted me (and other Supra owners) for.

 

-Ian

 

*all those are direct quotes from the man himself, and can be found on this BBS before anyone flames me.

[Guest Mycroft]

They were mentioned as reference to parallel legislation as is now customary in this sort of legislation that is why it was in ( ) along with the CUR (Construction and Use Regulations)

 

No further correspondance on this from me.

[Guest Martin F]

Quote: from Mycroft on 6:41 pm on April 2, 2002[br]

 

so the Euro guidelines that restrict you, namely sections 49 to 54 a/e exc, c. of the StVZO VH & LR (FMVSS/CUR) do not apply here, we have like other 'Island states' within the EU can evoke the simpler regional ECE-R 48-×× (Geneve) or the 7×× series amendments (EEC Bruxelles). (Please try to stay awake)

 

 

So what does that state\imply ???

 

When will you realise we are not all mushrooms and do not need to be fed BS. If you have knowledge about a certain subject then please by all means add\clarify to the debate.

 

If you don't know something then keep quiet, most of the other members manage it.

 

This a BBS, not a BSB!

 

 

 

 

(Edited by Martin F at 8:58 pm on April 2, 2002)

[Ian C]

Well, I didn't think the Germans took their CUR guidelines from America, especially about blue lighting, especially as that still hasn't got past the call for comments stage - what optimistic people the Germans are.

 

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html for completeness' sake.

 

So that's another post where Mycroft stops responding just because something he posts is called into question.  Come on, if we didn't call some of your stuff into question, we would now have BOVs controlling our boost levels, replacing syncromeshs to fix clutch rattles, putting lambda probes in CATs and getting everything about suspension compliance fundamentally wrong.

 

It's a childish attitude.  My bat, my ball, sulk sulk sulk.  Didn't you do that already, deleting your posts because someone disagreed with you?  I've already brought up the unacceptable insults in the last post - let's not get onto the blatant troublemaking thing.  Quit showing off like a kid and add some signal to your noise.

 

-Ian

[DArby]

Following Gareths suggestion here are IP's

 

A - originally 213.123.151.21 - last post 217.39.82.6

M - originally 195.92.194.19 - last post 195.92.168.164

 

Chit-Chat is a good place if you want to get things off your chest, let keep technical technical, and name calling for the playground

 

Sorry to divert thread again - back to the squabbling :biggrin:

 

Ohh. Nice lights by the way Pete - thanks for the thread !!

 

 

 

Dean..

 

[THOR Racing]

>Ohh. Nice lights by the way Pete - thanks for the thread !!

 

Don't know if I dare mention that I can convert the air con unit LED's from the yucky green into blue or red or yellow (which is not special on it's own as it's been mentiuoned before) but I've also converted the bulbs as well and used electroluminescent wire to illuminate the legends.

 

So now at least one car out there has a completely red dash. Mine will be ice blue soon. (I'm not a Nova blue neon type) but a subtle change of dash colour is just the ticket for the dated green light interior.

 

Oh and as for hiding my HID controllers (inverters), looking at the pictures there's fat chance of that ;-)

 

If you want to know more on the dash conversion then be patient and photos will be in about two weeks.

 

Pete

 

 

[DArby]

You are a god Pete

 

Look forward to your step by step guide to converting all things dash like.

 

I for one will be 'copying' you, i'd love blue's throughout.

 

 

Dean.

 

[Branners]

Quote: from DArby on 11:07 am on April 3, 2002[br]You are a god Pete

 

Look forward to your step by step guide to converting all things dash like.

 

I for one will be 'copying' you, i'd love blue's throughout.

 

 

Dean.

 

Me too, my UK spec has a Sony blackface stereo which lights up a nice blue colour at night...

 

JB

[Mark Ayling]

Actually, changing the LED's isn't too bad, I managed to change mine over to blue to match my blue-backlit gauges.

 

But it would be nice to have all the "button images" in blue as well, I assume that's what you mean by "legends" Pete?

 

(Edited by Mark Ayling at 12:44 pm on April 3, 2002)

[THOR Racing]

>Actually, changing the LED's isn't too bad, I managed to change mine >over to blue to match my blue-backlit gauges.

 

Yes, just a case of swapping them over (except for Blue LED's you need to change the zener diode I think to drive the LED with a little more juice :-)  as Blue LED's take more current for the same intensity as say red ones)

 

 

>But it would be nice to have all the "button images" in blue as well, I >assume that's what you mean by "legends" Pete?

 

Yes, that's right.

I've tried LED's as replacements to the bulbs but due to the very narrow angle of light emitted from a LED (even wide angle ones) and the light intensity it was hard to get any of the "button images" to light up enough or evenly. Even tried tin foil to act as a light reflector (not my idea) but it worked well.

 

The E.L. wire was far simpler and easier to do. Plus not as fiddly as LEDs, tinfoil and a pot of glue!

 

We've almost cracked the RED dash mods (just a few minor bugs in the last installment) and then it's onto my BLUE dash.

The concepts and procedures are the same (apart from the diode (or was it resistor?) change) for Blue.

 

The mods include changes to the indicator arrows (either side of the speedo) the ignition key light ring. The green ring around the ignition key and also the door window up/down button.

 

Pete

[GavinL]

Quote: from branners on 12:35 pm on April 3, 2002[br]

Quote: from DArby on 11:07 am on April 3, 2002[br]You are a god Pete

 

Look forward to your step by step guide to converting all things dash like.

 

I for one will be 'copying' you, i'd love blue's throughout.

 

 

Dean.

 

Me too, my UK spec has a Sony blackface stereo which lights up a nice blue colour at night...

 

JB

 

Interested myself, would this be available in kit form per chance?

[THOR Racing]

>Interested myself, would this be available in kit form per chance?

 

I could supply all the bits but as a specific kit I don't know. I only did it for a bit of fun.

 

You'd need a degree of skill with a soldering iron and a dremmel drill. But if that's O.K. I'm sure kits can be purchased.

 

Pete

[Guest Ash]

Quote: from DArby on 10:09 pm on April 2, 2002[br]Following Gareths suggestion here are IP's

 

A - originally 213.123.151.21 - last post 217.39.82.6

M - originally 195.92.194.19 - last post 195.92.168.164

 

Chit-Chat is a good place if you want to get things off your chest, let keep technical technical, and name calling for the playground

 

Sorry to divert thread again - back to the squabbling :biggrin:

 

Ohh. Nice lights by the way Pete - thanks for the thread !!

 

 

 

Dean..

 

 

 

Hey, drop the A & M crap.

 

Either post everyone's IP or not at all.

 

Yours,

J

[Guest Supragirl]

I think it is up to Dean and JB what they do on their BBS

 

If you don't like it...dont post

[Gareth Davies]

Sorry Ash, seemed the best way to make the point no?

 

Hate to break it to everyone, but the ip's on the various messages are available to anyone that can run a google search for the flaws in this BBS software. So essentially everyones ip IS available publically...

 

Might be a good idea to upgrade the BBS software guys

[Guest Ash]

 

 

There is a time and a place for making points. You have made yours. Okay, now I suppose it's my turn.

 

Yours,

J

[Guest Mycroft]

Dean, is the 'M' short for Mycoft. I hope not.

 

I use a proxy (as most here) so I'm not 'fussed' but publishing IP's can be considered an infringement of privilege and at present the law looks to proof of 'nuisance posting' to person or person(s) to justify this.

 

You must be aware that publishing IP's can lead to the Addressee being open to hacking.

 

As a moderator and 'other things' for the Soarer Site receiving a writ is not funny and is damned expensive to defend. had we not lots and lots of proof then we would have been sunk and we would have been open to damages. It would have destroyed the LSOC.

 

I am sure you are aware of all this and just forgot.

 

For God's sake don't publish everyones, you are certainly culpable then and there (at present) seems no point in Law to defend such action.

 

Bear in mind that happened to a 'closed, members only' forum.

 

Gareth there is a huge difference in openly posting IPs and people going into the system to find it, the offenders in that case become the publisher for leading the way and the hacker for opportunism, the originator is more culpable in law and would be treated more harshly than the hacker.

 

If I were on the bench and had a case like that in front of me the Publisher would get it in the neck, and if more than one hacker had been involved I am obliged to 'add up' the infringements.

 

(Edited by Mycroft at 8:10 pm on April 3, 2002)

[Guest Martin F]

Quote: from Ash on 6:55 pm on April 3, 2002[br]

Quote: from DArby on 10:09 pm on April 2, 2002[br]Following Gareths suggestion here are IP's

 

A - originally 213.123.151.21 - last post 217.39.82.6

M - originally 195.92.194.19 - last post 195.92.168.164

 

Chit-Chat is a good place if you want to get things off your chest, let keep technical technical, and name calling for the playground

 

Sorry to divert thread again - back to the squabbling :biggrin:

 

Ohh. Nice lights by the way Pete - thanks for the thread !!

 

 

 

Dean..

 

 

 

Hey, drop the A & M crap.

 

Either post everyone's IP or not at all.

 

Yours,

J

 

Can somebody tell me what the problem is with this ?

 

 

 

[Guest Mycroft]

Martin there are people out there who can with a little help kill your computer, lace it with hidden files even put images on their then get your Computer to contact the Vice Squad (informer website) and give them your details and from this the Police can arrest you as a Paedophile.

 

Even having a Proxy and a good firewall can be overcome, the trail is obvious with a little real investigation but by that time your neighbours have killed your cat, set fire to your car, thrown bricks through your window, in short your life can be made a misery and you would most likely lose your job any work prospects etc etc.

 

Anyone with 10 years of I-net experience can get to that 'level' if they so wish, that is why inviting abuse (by publishing IPs) is frowned upon...big time.

 

(Edited by Mycroft at 8:25 pm on April 3, 2002)

[Guest Martin F]

 

Yes but as most of us use ISP's which allocate IP's dynamically (like Ash) then the issuing of such information does nothing more than narrow things down to an ISP.

 

Somebody would need to have good reason before they went to all the trouble to target somebody, although i guess there are some real sad individuals out there.

 

Still this is not the thread for this.

 

 

[Guest Mycroft]

You are right, it is obviously the place for this.

 

Quote: from Martin F on 5:26 pm on April 2, 2002[br]

Quote: from Mycroft on 5:16 pm on April 2, 2002[br]

 

LMFAO...........http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/joker.gif

 

 

[Flipfinger]

Quote: from TRL Performance on 12:41 pm on April 2, 2002[br

UK Spec have the manual control for leveling by turning a knob inside and the Jap spec just have the nut attached to the back of the headlamp.

 

Sorry to butt in and get back on-topic (LOL - not like me at all) but my J-Spec N/A has a manual control for levelling just like a UK spec....

 

I dunno if it was an option or something, but the more I find out about my particular N/A, the more it intrigues me......it has a lot of stuff that others don't seem to have, and problems that nobody else has ever had (finding the frigging terminals to switch the air bag light off).

 

Nice lights Pete.  I could seriously have used them a few months ago driving back from somewhere in deepest, darkest Suffolkshire......like pea soup, it was....