THOR Racing Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 I've just fitted my HID (High Intensity Discharge) bulb kit to my Supra and the result is excellent. I've got some pictures of the installation (quickly uploaded last night) but none of the comparison between previous and now as it wasn't dark enough by the time I packed up. It is the 9006 6000K kit from autolamps-online.co.uk and they are excellent. Priced at £344 (4000K) or £400 (6000K) depending on the kit. (Notice the price drop from £500 (4000K kit)is quite significant from early on in the year.) If you buy from autolamps-online would you mention TRL Performance recommended you. I don't get anything from it but I did say I'd help advertise their products if I thought they were any good. Check out some photos.... sorry no web page sorted yet just the photo links. http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_KIT.jpg http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_BULB.jpg http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_CABLE.jpg http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_CONTROL.jpg http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_NS.jpg http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_NS1.jpg http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_OS.jpg They are vvvv. easy to fit. Just plug and play. Simple as that. Hardest thing was to find somewhere to actually place the controllers. If a bulb ever fails I just unplug the harness and plug in my old bulb. Nothing more to do. Shouldn't fail though. Regards Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 I agree with Pete, the HID systems are excellent. Mine came with them installed before I bought it, and they do seem to have all kinds of control boxes (strangly I have HID dipped and side lights). Absolutly amazing light though. I used to think £4-500 for a system was a joke. But now i'd have to upgrade my next cars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Does the Supra have a headlight cleaning system (apart from a mop/bucket/muppet) and self levelling lamps? I ask as these to items are required by law before HID can fitted to any car in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinL Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 12:29 pm on April 2, 2002[br]Does the Supra have a headlight cleaning system (apart from a mop/bucket/muppet) and self levelling lamps? I ask as these to items are required by law before HID can fitted to any car in the UK. UK spec cars do, J-specs not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted April 2, 2002 Author Share Posted April 2, 2002 >Does the Supra have a headlight cleaning system (apart from a >mop/bucket/muppet) and self levelling lamps? Only UK Spec have the washers and a leveling system. (although not self leveling.) >I ask as these to items are required by law before >HID can fitted to any car in the UK. Not everything in life is perfect. People and cars alike. The self leveling headlamps are only to self adjust depending on loading using a tilt sensor of somekind as the HID are much brighter and despite having a knob to adjust people just don't do it when they load up their cars. UK Spec have the manual control for leveling by turning a knob inside and the Jap spec just have the nut attached to the back of the headlamp. As I don't take any load in the Supra and unlikely to be heavily loaded I don't think will be a problem. As for the MOT I can simply swap the original bulbs back in if I really need to and I doubt the police are going to stop me for not having washers on my lights. I fail to see the problem? People take off their CATs without any worry at all, the fact it's illegal and won't pass the MOT seems to not matter. I feel it's a little dig but I may be wrong. I like them and I thought I'd share the information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 12:29 pm on April 2, 2002[br] I ask as these to items are required by law before HID can fitted to any car in the UK. Interesting piece of information. Where is that stated ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Both items are endorseable under the Construction and Use regs, I see them quite often used to add7points to an unsuspecting motorist, the driver is always shocked and always says it never said anything on the package! I will hunt out my C&U notes if you wish and give you chapter and verse. The self levelling has to be AUTOMATIC hand adjustment is not sufficient. the washing (if by means of a pressurised water jet) must be focused on the HID unit in any combination lamp. (the Supra has a combination lamp) Might the galant Lord Mycroft saved some of you from losing your licences? (Edited by Mycroft at 12:51 pm on April 2, 2002) TRL Just re-read the last bit, no way hosay! I point this out as the Vehicle Inspectorate are about to issue guidance notes for the coming year, it includes notes on HID retro-fit systems, your posting was just at the time of this passing my desk, I am not having a pop, I WANT a set of HIDS, have done for over 2 years, that above is a bargain, but some people here go to cruises and suchlike and the filf would love the excuse to bag a '7 pointer' just on lights alone. (Edited by Mycroft at 1:06 pm on April 2, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 12:49 pm on April 2, 2002[br] I will hunt out my C&U notes if you wish and give you chapter and verse. No it's OK, if we have to wait as long for those as we have your disc runout figures we'll probably die of old age first!! You know there used to be another guy on this BBS who used to knock everybodies idea's and modifications, but somehow his name has(h) escaped me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 If my posting that what you may be about to do is illegal or could lose you your licence is offensive, then I will cease giving you the benefit of my knowledge/experience. I am still thought of as some sort of 'demon' or 'nuisance' I feel that some of you just wish to annoy or goad me and decry or deliberately mis-comprehend my postings. I hoped by diverting the more futile comments to the 'signature' bit at the bottom that it would keep the 'sniping and bitching' (that some of you like to partake in) off the 'content' part of the posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supragirl Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 1:13 pm on April 2, 2002[br]If my posting that what you may be about to do is illegal or could lose you your licence is offensive, then I will cease giving you the benefit of my knowledge/experience. That's a joke coming from somebody who thinks driving 170mph on a public highway is ok. (Edited by Supragirl at 1:22 pm on April 2, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 1:13 pm on April 2, 2002[br]If my posting that what you may be about to do is illegal or could lose you your licence is offensive, then I will cease giving you the benefit of my knowledge/experience. I am still thought of as some sort of 'demon' or 'nuisance' I feel that some of you just wish to annoy or goad me and decry or deliberately mis-comprehend my postings. I hoped by diverting the more futile comments to the 'signature' bit at the bottom that it would keep the 'sniping and bitching' (that some of you like to partake in) off the 'content' part of the posts. Paranoid ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradb Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 And we're off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 On Topic : HID lights are far superior to the their normal equivilants, they're far less (if at all dangerous) like the dodgy overspecced lights some people use (which i'd expect is what 99.99% of the 7 pointers have been for and they ARE dangerous). You seriously expect the Nova crowd to be spending £4-500 pounds on a set of HID lights, when £40 illegal bulbs have a similar effect? Trying to stay on topic... oops failed. The HMSO have a full list of the C&U guidelines. Not very interesting really. And I couldn't find the amendment Mycroft was refering too. If you know what the lights are refered to in the docs just run a search for it (HID and High Intensity Discharge failed, but they probably have a more elaborate official name). However it does have a reference to the regs mentioned in the type approval docs (but they're a lot newer). But it seems in relation to main headlights not dipped / driving lights? (is that what they're called?) Anyway, for anyone that cares... Motor Vehicle Construction and Use 1987 Even more OT : I think everyones tired of the constant bickering, could you guys start a topic in Chit Chat and just have a good flame at one another and get it out of your system? Or could Branners / Dean just post the IP's of some relevant posts... if they're too busy i'll do it... which unfortionatly for any credibility would require the posting of the technique to access it. Then this 'problem' can be dealt with openly. Again my sincere apologies for diverting Pete's Thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted April 2, 2002 Author Share Posted April 2, 2002 Umm well despite the legal issues I'll be posting more photos next weekend regarding the comparisons between HB3 bulbs and the 6000K HID bulb. I'd be still interested to know the legal position if someone can post the precise details showing where retrofit HID are mentioned. But for now I'll enjoy the extra white light and less eye strain. Thanks Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithStalker Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 'Ere, whats those 2 big silvery things on picture http://www.trlperformance.com/personal/HID/HID_NS1.jpg one is like a cone thing and the other a cog ?? is it a BOV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 One is the water injection pump and the other is a HKS BOV. Pete, does your battery sit on top of the WI pump ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted April 2, 2002 Author Share Posted April 2, 2002 >One is the water injection pump and the other is a HKS BOV Correct. >Pete, does your battery sit on top of the WI pump ? No it sits by the side of it. I had to cut the battery tray slightly to get the battery as far over to the wing as possible and I could just squeeze it on. Neat eh :-) There's a better picture on my old site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.betts/supra/TechTips/waterinj.htm Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithStalker Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 so what does that do then? the blue hose going what seems to be straight into the turbo intake? does it squirt water into the turbo????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted April 2, 2002 Author Share Posted April 2, 2002 >so what does that do then? the blue hose going what seems >to be straight into the turbo intake? does it squirt water into >the turbo????? Not wanting to hijack my own thread with a discussion on water injection but essentially you are almost correct. It squirts water into the inlect manifold but AFTER the turbos to help aid cooling of the charged air. It's essentially an anti-detonation (anti-knock) safety system. There's been loads of discussions on water injection in the past if you want to check out the archives, or start a new thread. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Momentary thread diversion. (apologies to Pete) #That's a joke coming from somebody who thinks driving 170mph on a public highway is ok.# Maybe, but I am aware of the law I am breaking and am fully aware of the consequences, you its seems are not aware that fitting these items puts your licence at risk, I would have thought that info was quite pertinent don't you agree. Paranoid ? No, just * off with moronic bickering, you are the main cause, I have even resorted to using the Messenger service asking you to PLEASE refrain or explain your animosity, you ignored this request refusing even to reply, your ignorance and arrogance appall me! If you want a real 'set to' then I'll oblige you. Back on thread. (Edited by Mycroft at 5:17 pm on April 2, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 5:16 pm on April 2, 2002[br] Paranoid ? No, just * off with moronic bickering, you are the main cause, I have even resorted to using the Messenger service asking you to PLEASE refrain or explain your animosity, you ignored this request refusing even to reply, your ignorance and arrogance appall me! If you want a real 'set to' then I'll oblige you. Back on thread. (Edited by Mycroft at 5:17 pm on April 2, 2002) LMFAO...........http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/joker.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted April 2, 2002 Author Share Posted April 2, 2002 Anyway........ I got the web address wrong, it is http://www.autolamps-online.com not .co.uk and I'm talking about the "9006 6000K Xenon HID Headlamp conversion kit" for £400 they also do a cheaper one 9006 Xenon HID Headlamp conversion kit for £344 (which is a 4000K bulb) http://www.autolamps-online.com/products/orderform.htm Oh and if you don't stop bickering I'll come and flash my HID's at you and watch as you demons of the dark are turned into dust...... whuh huh huh huh huh huuuuuuuuuuuuuh :-))) That was a joke and no offence to Satan or his workforce was intended. Regards Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavio Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 I have had the HID lights ever since I got my Supra running. It passed the Dutch MOT test without any problems although as Lord Mycroft says they are illegal. I doubt very much if the average inspector will see the difference, especially if you hide the transformers a little bit. Even if you installed a self levelling headlamp system and a washer system, retrofitting HID's is still illegal. You are not supposed to change any lighting on your car but like others have said it's also illegal to remove your cats and drive faster than the speed limit ;-) Flavio http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid5/p142c9363fa12dc3dab98011a9003dc88/fde38afb.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 So to complete, as it seems no Supra or Soarer has self levelling (I was kinda hoping that the UK Supra DID, as I could possibly find one at a scrappie) does anyone know of a simple system that works or is transferrable, forget the Omega its system won't work in our cars. (tried that) or if not has anyone here started work on making such a system within the club/other clubs etc. Pressure washing I have sourced, the self levelling remains troublesome, I may in the end just buy an HID for my Soarer, as I am not too conspicuous and just chance it, but with 25+years with an unblemished licence it is not something I really want to risk without trying for the Grail once more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Kasir Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Just to add, I went through the MOT without any problems with retrofit HID's on my 993 (also from autolamps). Many others in the PCGB have also fitted these lamps without any MOT problems. I doubt the Police would give you a hard time over your headlamps unless you looked like a spotty teenage trouble maker in a souped up hot hatch with neons etc etc, if you do fall into that category, then they may well want to pull your car apart with a fine toothcomb and discover that your HIDs aren't self levelling. Very difficult to prove at the roadside in the middle of the night. Also I would imagine if you do fall into that category, you have other priorities as to what modifcations to spend £500 on. Probably higher on the list for Nova boys like that is a 60" base tube and those blue lights you see on the bonnets of £1000 Ford Orions.... (has anyone figured out what those blue lights are all about yet? If so, please let me know...) No way are they going to pull you over if you are driving sensibly in a expensive looking car, and then further try to see if your HIDs are self levelling. So many expensive cars now have them as OEM, they won't pay much attention to them unless they really obviously don't belong to a car like that. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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