Markie Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Hi all, I trust the HKS F-CON V Pro is still the best ECU to get for mapping etc of the VVT-i TT? If so, is it just the ECU I need and an A/F knock amp sensor? Also, anyone have a working one they want to sell? Please advise, Thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 VVTi really limits your choice. The V Pro or Motec M600/M800 are the obvious choices. Which one you choose mainly depends who you want to map it, unless you 'inherited' it with the car like I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted July 7, 2006 Author Share Posted July 7, 2006 I was thinking that Pheonix place is it in Watford? Any views on them and mapping the HKS? P.s. Did I get it right? Is it just the ECU and the AF knock sensor needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Phoenix does not do mapping. HKS and Motec have authorised tuners that have to be used.... HKS- Owen developments, TDI, Abbey, GT-Art Motec- Owen developments (there are a few more, whatever you do stay away from Tuning Japanese) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Terry's car on an HKS V Pro is proof positive that it's a good ecu for a VVTi. Terry flew someone in to map it though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted July 7, 2006 Author Share Posted July 7, 2006 Possibly been Owen Dev then. Do you know what else Terry had installed along with the HKS ECU electrics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Possibly been Owen Dev then. Do you know what else Terry had installed along with the HKS ECU electrics? Errr nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I'm 90% sure that you will need (Or should get) the AF knock sensor too.... Best to PM Terry and get it from the horses mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Phoenix does not do mapping. HKS and Motec have authorised tuners that have to be used.... HKS- Owen developments, TDI, Abbey, GT-Art Motec- Owen developments (there are a few more, whatever you do stay away from Tuning Japanese) The software is free to anyone to download and use for the Motec range of ecus, meaning anyone can map, or have a go at mapping, them. For the HKS mappable ecus the software and dongle is only available to appointed and regulated HKS tuners, severely limiting where these ecus can be mapped, read, or modified. IMO the best mappers are the race tuners who do several per week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 The software is free to anyone to download and use for the Motec range of ecus, meaning anyone can map, or have a go at mapping, them. For the HKS mappable ecus the software and dongle is only available to appointed and regulated HKS tuners, severely limiting where these ecus can be mapped, read, or modified. IMO the best mappers are the race tuners who do several per week. Yes, anyone can have a go at the Motec ECU. I assumed that he wanted it done properly.... http://software.motec.com.au/release/ I am also fully aware of the limitations of tuning the HKS unit as well. I assume that above was for his benefit and not to make me look like I have not got a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted July 7, 2006 Author Share Posted July 7, 2006 Does the HKS have any advantage over the MOTEC, or vice versa, excluding the "Anyone can map it - MOTEC" Thanks, Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Terry flew someone in to map it though...I thought he sent the ECU to RR in Canadia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 No advantage other then price. The HKS is slightly cheaper to buy. Both should be about the same to map. They will both do what you need and more. The Motec has a few more functions that it can do but these require a bit more cash outlay for you to use them. (Traction control,anti lag ect.) You can read more about the Motec here: http://www.motec.com.au/pdf/M600_ECU.pdf and http://www.motec.com.au/pdf/m600specs.pdf Not much readable info about on the V pro unfortunately http://www.hksusa.com/products/more.asp?id=1965 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I was quoted 10-15 hours @ £82 / hour to install a Vcon by TDI, then 10 -15 hours @ £100 / hour to map it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I thought he sent the ECU to RR in Canadia? Nope:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I was quoted 10-15 hours @ £82 / hour to install a Vcon by TDI, then 10 -15 hours @ £100 / hour to map it.... Thats a lot of hours/cost to fit something that is PNP with the HKS loom and splice up a few lives and earths and fit and O2 sensor:blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 That's what i thought lol Don't think i'll take them up on that deal, no wonder they're providing finance options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Does the HKS have any advantage over the MOTEC, or vice versa, excluding the "Anyone can map it - MOTEC" Thanks, Marcus Motec have free software updates, a wealth of European based tuners familiar with all aspects of it, and its tuning, English instructions, English based websites for tuners and users, and a worldwide history of usage in the higest end race cars in International motorsports, road cars, bikes, powerboats and various odd ball installations. The HKS seems a competent effort, but back up, English information and access to the software by the end user and none affiliated tuners is all but unobtainable. To me it's a no brainer if you have committed a lot of time, money and effort to a decent spec engine you may wish to modify or play with further. I sell neither, so I am being as unbiased as I can reasonably be. I have Power FC in my Skyline, a Motec set up in the wings, for its new engine, a Motec in one of my race cars, and an MBE in the other, so I am not dead set on ONLY Motec being the way to go and as I have said many times before, the capabilities of most modern programmable ecus are so much more than the majority of end users will need, it's more important to choose your tuner and take his recommendations than the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 when in come to electronic items especially critical electronic items the selection of components is critical ,the tolerance on each item ,the ability to cope with temperature variations,vibration,humidity,dust,static build up,and compatiblity within circuits/chips and heatsinks and voltage stability. any of these and more can cause failure or glitches ,just look at your average home computer which just locks up and requires rebooting. If this happens in your zillion pound race car -you just lost! all the preparation up to the race wasted. Motec hand pick components and im sure they are hand soldered circuits as this is the best way of assembly ,the japanese flow solder everything and keep costs down, great,but there will always be failure problems not an issue if its your camera or Hi Fi,more concerning if it is your life support machine!.this is one of the reasons the Jap HI Fi dont compare with the high end British stuff but are affordable.What exactly do HKS know about electronics?and do they build in house?strange their expertise stretches to turbos,and exhausts,and plugs,and instumentation and.....What do motec do...engine management/data systems for race cars full stop.I believe you get what you pay for and if you want the finest go to a specialist in that field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Hi all, I trust the HKS F-CON V Pro is still the best ECU to get for mapping etc of the VVT-i TT? If so, is it just the ECU I need and an A/F knock amp sensor? Also, anyone have a working one they want to sell? Please advise, Thanks... I have an F-Con pro and HKS knock sensor F/S m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Adam, True... very much so. But I've yet to see a Japanese car (as in a race or show car in Japan) without a Japanese ECU, especially the F-con. Its unheard of to use a Motec, Autronic etc etc. Nearly all HKS stuff is manufactured for them. The don't make too much in house. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Hi Gaz,Im sure the hks unit works well enough and is good value for money,and it sure would make sense for Japanese cars in Japan to use locally sourced products with local backup,would it not make sense for us in the UK to do the same when we have a wealth of tuning experience ,I dont advocate motec as the "must have " or HKS "dont touch". http://www.dtafast.co.uk is another local source for engine management and mapping and not that expensive,and very good.My own preference is to whenever possible use UK specialists and suppliers,and have someone on the end of a phone who can help and is interested to help as it is their product with the problem or difficulty,with some of the larger generic tuning houses I doubt it is so simple.I would be the first to admit my knowledge of ECU mapping is limited but its always nice to "know a man who can":d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted July 22, 2006 Author Share Posted July 22, 2006 Just thought.. The MOTEC systems don't handle the DBW/FBW do they and you can keep it with the HKS ECU like Terry did? Is this still the case guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qaisar Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Im pretty sure Chris Webley said Owen Developments could get the MOTEC to control the FBW for extra £££s, but im not positive so best to check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I was chatting to Jake and i think he said that's correct (he has a Motec M600) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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