Project Future Motorsports Supra......

[Thorin]

So which turbo is the best then!?

[Ian W]

So which turbo is the best then!?

 

[bondango]

So which turbo is the best then!?

 

T51R SPL

 

 

I agree though, back on track, even though it has made interesting reading

 

Maybe Bijal could restart it and just get this one deleted

[Thorin]

T51R SPL

 

I've been thinking GT4088R

[Gazboy]

I've been thinking GT4088R

 

Is that a speed text number?

[Nic]

I think bijal can do that himself if he wants... is that not the way the traders sections work? ie: they can delete what ever posts they want?

 

If it was posted in his trade section yes he could, it is posted in Supra Chat though so not possible.

 

I agree there are some unsubstantiated claims made in the first post, which quite rightly have been challenged. This has been done and probably time to move on now.

[JamieP]

ahh.... has this thread been moved then? im sure it was in his trader section to start with:search:

[Lucifer]

No it was always here

[JamieP]

ahh ok... sorry:search:

[Rich]

HKS turbos = rebadged garrett with HKS own housing

[TLicense]

To me this thread has turned to shit not because Bijal made an unsubstantiated claim, but more because once it'd been pointed out, a couple of guys wouldn't let it lie. I mean it was fairly obvious straight off, after his initial response to the question of why HKS is better, that he didn't have any technical proof why it was better.

 

I agree that Bijal, and indeed all traders need to be very careful over the claims they make. Luckily we have people on here that are eagle eyed and know a bit about stuff to.

 

It's just unfortunate for Terry that as a direct competitor it just ends up looking like him bullying Bijal as he just won't let it lie. I remember reading a similar thread with Terry persistantly hammering Gaz about the PHR turbo's, and a another one where he hammered Paul E. However that's not to say that Terry is the only one doing it, it's just that as he is a competitor it just looks like he has a vested interest in be-littleing all the opposition.

 

Now don't get me wrong, the questions need to be asked. But once you've made your point, and proven the other party wrong, continuing to harang the other person just ends up looking like your out to humiliate them. What did you expect? Bijal to turn around and say your right, the products I'm selling at twice the price of yours are more or less identical to yours in terms of performance? C'mon it just wasn't going to happen was it?

 

I'm sorry it just couldn't have been sorted out maybe in another thread so that Bijal could have continued showing us his build.

 

Oh well. Next........

[SupraStar 3000]

To me this thread has turned to shit not because Bijal made an unsubstantiated claim, but more because once it'd been pointed out, a couple of guys wouldn't let it lie. I mean it was fairly obvious straight off, after his initial response to the question of why HKS is better, that he didn't have any technical proof why it was better.

 

I agree that Bijal, and indeed all traders need to be very careful over the claims they make. Luckily we have people on here that are eagle eyed and know a bit about stuff to.

 

It's just unfortunate for Terry that as a direct competitor it just ends up looking like him bullying Bijal as he just won't let it lie. I remember reading a similar thread with Terry persistantly hammering Gaz about the PHR turbo's, and a another one where he hammered Paul E. However that's not to say that Terry is the only one doing it, it's just that as he is a competitor it just looks like he has a vested interest in be-littleing all the opposition.

 

Now don't get me wrong, the questions need to be asked. But once you've made your point, and proven the other party wrong, continuing to harang the other person just ends up looking like your out to humiliate them. What did you expect? Bijal to turn around and say your right, the products I'm selling at twice the price of yours are more or less identical to yours in terms of performance? C'mon it just wasn't going to happen was it?

 

I'm sorry it just couldn't have been sorted out maybe in another thread so that Bijal could have continued showing us his build.

 

Oh well. Next........

 

well said.

lets all be friends and move on....

[Guest dee_rz]

I've been thinking GT4088R

 

 

agreed too

[Gaz Walker]

Terry persistantly hammering Gaz about the PHR turbo's

 

Well, it was SP turbo's, but lets not be pedantic here!

 

Gaz.

[Matt Harwood]

I can virtually guarantee that this doesn't have anything to do with Terry trying to bully an opposition trader. He simply doesn't like unproven statements, (or bullshit, to put it another way). In fact in most cases in the past where Terry has ended up in a confrontation about something, it's usually where someone is claiming someting that is unsubstatiated. Unfortunatly, it's in his nature to not back down.

 

Terry, Alex and a few others on here thrive on the spec of different performance parts. I'm sure that if Bijal had come back with specs that made the Garrett equivilent look crap, they'd have been happy to accept it.

 

 

 

Well said Ian C. That just about sums it up.

[JamieP]

here comes terrys pets

[Matt Harwood]

Is that the best you could come up with?

[JamieP]

I can hear the horns blowing from here:D better?

wait a minute and alex will be along:D

[mr keef]

dont they use garret internals in the xs power turbos;)

[Homer]

Is there any possibility a mod could split this thread into two topics? Its been done many times before so no reason why it can't be done now.

 

The subject of the turbo specs is relevant to people like myself who are still trying to grasp the basics of turbo’s specs. I am in the process of choosing which a turbo to go for in my single conversion; the BL T67dbb, SP T67 and several HKS versions are on the list, so I am VERY interested in technical details and PROVEN results on various turbos in this range.

 

However, there is a number of people (probably a much larger number) who are interested in the overall project from Bijal here - me very much included. If the thread is cleared of the "turbo" comments then I hope we can return it to a story of the development of a real track Supra

[Bob]

Right, fume and rant alert - All you people accusing us of being "pedants" . . .

 

Ian, it was meant in jest.

[TLicense]

Well, it was SP turbo's, but lets not be pedantic here!

 

Gaz.

 

Oops sorry mate, was at work when I posted, and was in a bit of a hurry.

 

Apologies. Bloody pedants!

[TLicense]

I can virtually guarantee that this doesn't have anything to do with Terry trying to bully an opposition trader. He simply doesn't like unproven statements, (or bullshit, to put it another way). In fact in most cases in the past where Terry has ended up in a confrontation about something, it's usually where someone is claiming someting that is unsubstatiated. Unfortunatly, it's in his nature to not back down.

 

Terry, Alex and a few others on here thrive on the spec of different performance parts. I'm sure that if Bijal had come back with specs that made the Garrett equivilent look crap, they'd have been happy to accept it.

 

 

 

Well said Ian C. That just about sums it up.

 

You know that, I pretty much know that. It was pretty obvious that he wasn't going to. The rest was down to humilating him into submission. He wasn't going to hence why this ended up in a shit fight.

 

Terry is an opposing trader, and regardless of his personal motives, unfortunately to a laymen, that's all it ends up looking like, a trader slagging a competing trader. Hard lines on Terry I know, but that's the score at the end of the day. By harping on, I don't think he's done himself justice.

 

I remember harping on about the spec of injectors and being told that close enough is good enough, and I remembering being told to

just look what works on other cars see what injectors they running and what electronics and take a chance

 

which going by the gist of that particular thread was pretty much the direction Ian was heading in as well:-

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=33545&page=2&highlight=pressure+regulator

 

 

I'm not particularly trying to bring up the past, all I'm saying is at some point, people need to realise that they need to move on? Ian pretty much did what Bijal did in this thread. He said that in his experience x was better than y, when I was saying y was better than x because of the theory of operation. Personally I feel I left it too long in that particular thread to just move on, and I think Terry, Alex et all that held on in this thread, held on to long here. All that's happened now is we've ended up discussing about turbo's instead of how Bijal was going to set up a circuit car. Do you know how to set-up a Supra for thecircuit car? (not aimed at anyone particular but the public in general. OK CW not you, but the rest of you!) I don't. I would have liked to see what someone thought about it. Pity I won't see that.

 

I'm done on this now. I just feel it's a shame. I'll pm Bijal, and see if he'll be happy to let me know, maybe through pm's how he's setting up his car. I don't have to take his word literally, but hey, maybe by applying a bit of common sense, and engineering knoe how, I'll be able to pick up a thing or two? Who knows.

[Clarkey]

A very interesting thread Bijal! ... all 173 posts. As for the turbo-bit .. I can't comment any techie stuff being a non-techie.

 

I think you are assuming that people are stupid and make major purchases like this based on one persons comment in a thread. That's just silly.

 

But for people like myself, who know very little on the subject - are stupid. Appologies, that is a broad-statement ... but the fact is - I'm a lab-rat. I spend my days working with GSM BTS's, BSC's, MSC's, VLR & HLR's. As a non-techie car person, I rely quite abit on the search button, reading threads and talking to other people .. who are more knowledgble than I.

 

So, no - I don't think it's silly at all. If I read conflicting information - it's going to confuse me - even more - because of my lack of technical competence.

 

From those that know me - then you'll know I'm not the quickest of cats in the alley when it concerns cars - I'll freely admit that. To me, a turbo is a metal thing that sits on the left in my engine bay that blows air. So thus, I'm asking out of a genuine reason.

 

What reason(s), or perhaps application(s) .. would a HKS turbo benefit me - as joe public ? In other words, what I'm trying to say .. is what factors would make me choose a HKS unit over another brand. I'm forgetting the £££ .. or any shiny bling etc .. what I'm trying to get at is, if someone said to me:

 

Christian, if you're going to be doing X, Y & Z applications with your car. Then the HKS units will benefit you. The reasons for this are ....

 

a)

b)

c)

 

What are those applications and what are the corresponding reasons ?

 

I think Mig - summed it up:

 

Just would like to know what makes them stand out. Takin HKS sales targets out of the loop and being neutral for a second

 

Bijal .. have your sources/customers in the middle east provided you with their feedback on the HKS units ? If your customers gave you some data, of their experience. .. (and as long as someone could explain the data to me ) .. I think that would prove useful, not only for your own project .. but for the rest of the Supra community.

 

Also, what kind of circuit setup will you be looking at ? Have you planned any circuit testing - inorder to get the most out of your setup ? And if so, how will you be collating the track data ? And what kind of track data will you be collating ?

 

What criteria will you be choosing the HKS turbo .. for the circuit ? What I mean is, what kind of racing factors will you have to consider .. to make you use HKS turbo x .. rather than HKS turbo y ?

 

What suspension set up are you going to run? Will it have a proper cage in it, and by whom?

 

Chris asked a good question here ..

 

I know someone also asked about brakes too.

 

What is your choice of ECU ? Will it be standalone or piggyback ? .. and what techie criteria did you choose ECU X over ECU Y ? Exhaust manifolds ? Cast / Tubular .. or perhaps something else ?

 

How or will Aerodynamics come into play ? What I mean is, will you being using Toyota tested bumper, spoiler etc. Or will you be factoring in aftermarket bodykit .. in your testing ?

[LeeT]

From those that know me - then you'll know I'm not the quickest of cats in the alley when it concerns cars - I'll freely admit that. To me, a turbo is a metal thing that sits on the left in my engine bay that blows air. So thus, I'm asking out of a genuine reason.

 

Technically the turbo is on the Right hand side of your engine bay:D