Paul Laing Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Which springs give the lowest drop? I'm after about a 2" drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Laing Which springs give the lowest drop? I'm after about a 2" drop You'll probably mangle the handling. I'd just fit J-spec suspension - ideally the Eibach/Bilstein combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Keith C You'll probably mangle the handling. It's a Uk car Keith. What 'handling' are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted February 1, 2004 Author Share Posted February 1, 2004 The soft suspension for English roads of course!!! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Gordon F It's a Uk car Keith. What 'handling' are you referring to? It certainly won't have any with too low a drop and rock-hard suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted February 1, 2004 Author Share Posted February 1, 2004 Talking to a guy in the US, he has 19s and has Tein Coilovers on his car which drop the car 2.5", and he says it handles great, he's tried lots of different combo's aswell.... Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Laing Talking to a guy in the US, he has 19s and has Tein Coilovers on his car which drop the car 2.5", and he says it handles great, he's tried lots of different combo's aswell.... Paul This is america as in LOTS OF REALLY STRAIGHT ROADS ??? Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted February 1, 2004 Author Share Posted February 1, 2004 True......but i thought the lower the better for handling? The lower the car is to the road should make it handle much better or is this not the case with the Supra? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Laing True......but i thought the lower the better for handling? The lower the car is to the road should make it handle much better or is this not the case with the Supra? Paul Absolutely NOT!! No! You must read up on this, you are going to totally bugger up the handling. Lower does NOT equal better. The correct way to lower a car is to move ALL the inner suspension pick up points and the steering rack UP in the chassis. This is totally impractical of course, although can be done on some cars (Lotus chassis will allow this if you blag an unfinished one from the likes of Spyder). All the geometry changes as you lower a car, and i don't just mean toe and camber angles. the whole kinematics of the suspension change, and on the Supra they change for the worse. A modest lowering is accepatble, but not 2 inches. If you are purely into a show car then lower away and fit 19 inch rims, but expect tramlining, dire handling and sweaty palms as you try to keep up with a well driven milk float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 I currently have what are believed to be TRD springs on mine and the drop is quite considerable, the ride is also quite harsh. On the run from Berko to Aylesbury after the Berko meet I had the traction control light come on at about 80 after I hit a bump, on rough roads you will find hard suspension destroys the handling of the car, but almost anything should be better than the stock UK spec suspension. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Chris Wilson Absolutely NOT!! No! You must read up on this, you are going to totally bugger up the handling. Lower does NOT equal better. The correct way to lower a car is to move ALL the inner suspension pick up points and the steering rack UP in the chassis. This is totally impractical of course, although can be done on some cars (Lotus chassis will allow this if you blag an unfinished one from the likes of Spyder). All the geometry changes as you lower a car, and i don't just mean toe and camber angles. the whole kinematics of the suspension change, and on the Supra they change for the worse. A modest lowering is accepatble, but not 2 inches. If you are purely into a show car then lower away and fit 19 inch rims, but expect tramlining, dire handling and sweaty palms as you try to keep up with a well driven milk float Its a UK , surely it allready struggles to keep up with a milk float ??? Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 oh no, stop it, my sides have split again. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Branners oh no, stop it, my sides have split again. JB Big chinese again John ?????? never mind slip on the old loafers and go for a gentle stroll (you should be used to that now ) . Paul ,CW is right you really dont want to drop it by 2" its miles too much , aside from handling you'll be very restricted as to where you can actually drive the car !!! Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by dude Big chinese again John ?????? never mind slip on the old loafers and go for a gentle stroll (you should be used to that now ) . Paul ,CW is right you really dont want to drop it by 2" its miles too much , aside from handling you'll be very restricted as to where you can actually drive the car !!! Dude:flame Dev I agree, my car has the stock suspension. I went in a multi storey car park yesterday for the first time and the side skirts and/or exhaust touched the ground on one of the ramps!! I was quite suprised as the car looks quite high! Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted February 2, 2004 Author Share Posted February 2, 2004 So how do you stop bodyroll then? Sway bars? Iv'e saw a few cars lowered quite a bit, and also been in them and the handling is good. Is it just the Supra where the handling actually suffers if lowered alot? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Laing So how do you stop bodyroll then? Sway bars? Iv'e saw a few cars lowered quite a bit, and also been in them and the handling is good. Is it just the Supra where the handling actually suffers if lowered alot? Paul Don't confuse 'reacts really quickly and sharply to steering inputs' with 'handles well'. I've been in lowered cars which you'd have thought handled much better than mine, with very sharp, direct steering. Then I go round a sweeping corner 20mph faster than them because they start skipping and jumping over bumps being transmitted throughout the whole car whereas my setup just soaks them up at the wheel. Listen to Chris - he knoweth his shit. Huge wheels and massive drops are inimical to handling. The best way to stop bodyroll is have a lighter car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 The best money I've spent on the car has been Chris Wilson's suspension kit consisting of shocks, springs and a full geometry setup. The handling and ride are *superb* and it lowers it just enough to be aesthetically pleasing without causing problems when trying to negotiate speed humps. With 18's and good tires grip is vastly improved too, further helped by the suspension. You can keep your rock hard lowered springs and in car adjustable shite, I can't recommend this kit enough. I know others have different views and that's what this BBS is all about, make your choice and pay your money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Laing Posted February 2, 2004 Author Share Posted February 2, 2004 Do you rate this kit over the Jap stuff???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outatime Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Deja Vu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willson Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Done to death. Buy CW's. Edit - The best thing though, is obviously to have Chris set it up aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Definitely, little point in buying the kit unless he sets it up to his own spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 my cars is up with chris now having his full set up fitted chris showed me how it works Progressively wound springs make a lot of sense but as chris said the bit that takes the time is setting it all up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Billy my cars is up with chris now having his full set up fitted chris showed me how it works Progressively wound springs make a lot of sense but as chris said the bit that takes the time is setting it all up Especially when the adjusters have seized... Don't worry, nothing the gas axe won't fix Seriously though, 3 adjusters seized, 1 freed off, 2 will ned serious attack. I love sparks and flames... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 cheers chris i have total faith in you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Billy cheers chris i have total faith in you Reminds me of a saying of my old dads'. "In God I trust, all others pay cash" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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