CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I'd support England up until the final then would have to change to whomever they were playing. There is no way I could stand another 40 odd years of "We won the world cup eon's ago, we did"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Now let me get this right. A few guys make it their lifelong ambition to get good at the totally non-productive "skill" of pushing a little ball backwards and forwards for 100 yards.. I am assuming that you feel the same about any sport including motor sport as the same type of analagy could be used for all of them. Then non-participants, who have no real purpose in their lives, or who want to distract themself from under-achievement, or the reality of their own lives, take it upon themselves to devote a great part of their lives discussing, analysing, witnessing certain of those morons who push the little ball around.... I am one of those people with no real purpose and an obvious under achiever. I mean what the hell have I ever done? Take away the fact that I have run multi million pound companies, have set up and run several of my own companies, held positions on the boards of others and been used as a consultant on business forums and I would have to agree that my life has been one of abject failure. It's no wonder governments find it it is so easy to get people to go to war and tear each other to bits......... Because they support England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I am assuming that you feel the same about any sport including motor sport as the same type of analagy could be used for all of them. Yup...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I am one of those people with no real purpose and an obvious under achiever. I mean what the hell have I ever done? Take away the fact that I have run multi million pound companies, have set up and run several of my own companies, held positions on the boards of others and been used as a consultant on business forums and I would have to agree that my life has been one of abject failure. blink: You missed the bit which sais, "or the reality of their own lives,"...... Perhaps i should have phrased that (above) differently, we'll see...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Because they support England? I don't remember referring it to any particular country..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcgoo Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Now let me get this right. A few guys make it their lifelong ambition to get good at the totally non-productive "skill" of pushing a little ball backwards and forwards for 100 yards.. Then non-participants, who have no real purpose in their lives, or who want to distract themself from under-achievement, or the reality of their own lives, take it upon themselves to devote a great part of their lives discussing, analysing, witnessing certain of those morons who push the little ball around.... It's no wonder governments find it it is so easy to get people to go to war and tear each other to bits......... Out of intrest, whats your vice then??....stamp collecting....train spotting..?? Its not about the sport...its about getting behind your country! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I don't remember referring it to any particular country..... I used England as they are the team currently involved. I could have asked what does supporting a football side have to do with going to war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 You missed the bit which sais, "or the reality of their own lives,"...... Perhaps i should have phrased that (above) differently, we'll see...... No, I didn't miss that. I read it and thought about the reality of my own life as being one of humour, friendship, job satisfaction etc. So, where does that leave me? Maybe I should get some tatoos, wear short jeans and chant around the streets. At least then I would fill the stereotype you are alluding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I used England as they are the team currently involved. I could have asked what does supporting a football side have to do with going to war? Supporting a team gives people a sense of unity, belonging, being part of something, it creates a them and us differential towards opposing teams... It is easy for Governments to use play on that sense of unity and belonging to get people to go to war (to defend their "right" to be "us" and not "them"). Religions work the same way..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Supporting a team gives people a sense of unity, belonging, being part of something, it creates a them and us differential towards opposing teams... Not dissimilar to being a member of this forum then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 No, I didn't miss that. I read it and thought about the reality of my own life as being one of humour, friendship, job satisfaction etc. So, where does that leave me? Maybe I should get some tatoos, wear short jeans and chant around the streets. At least then I would fill the stereotype you are alluding to. CJ. that may be the reality of you life, but there are two sides to every coin, even your own. Most people rarely look at the other side and if they ever do they scare themselves shitless and from then on try and avoid facing the issue from that point on. And I am not particularly alluding to steroetypes, but human beings in general.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Out of intrest, whats your vice then??....stamp collecting....train spotting..?? Its not about the sport...its about getting behind your country! Why?......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 Why wouldn't 'British' commentators on a 'british' tv channel talk about and support the only 'british' team in the competition??!! Personally, I would support any british team, in any sport as long as they wern't playing against England. I'm in a job where I mix with alot of people from all over britain and my experience is that at least 80% of scotts support everyone that plays AGAINST England and these are all scotts that live and work in England!! Its just SO frustrating!!!! I have nothing against Scotts as people and i do have alot of Scottish freinds (until theres an england match on) Well TBH honest 80% of SCOTS dont support the other team, I would honestly say its the other way about 20% of SCOTS decide to support the other team. I freely admit that the SCOTS have a bad football team but TBH for the size of our nation i think we do not to badly. I agree with CJ on this that i woudl support England up to the final but then i hope they woudl get beat (not really) as again it will be 'X' amount of years that everyone would have to put up with it, yeah Scotland has not won, good for England they have ................ but only once and that was 40 years ago, and England still goes on about it. I challenge anyone that has even stayed in Scotland for any length of time and see what commentators are like towards Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, when ever we actually win something we win it for Britian but when we loose for some unknown reason we are singled out as Scottish, Welsh, Irish, but unless you actually see both sides of the coin which i bet most of you have not then you basicly don't know what your talking about and only have a one track mind, I do see both sides as stayed in Scotland for 28 years and moved to England last year and its awful, and i bet if someone would go up to Scotland they would not feel so alienated as even on the Scottish sport programmes we have the English divisions on too but in England you are lucky if you even get the scores. And Mcgoo its Scots not Scotts, Scotts is a surname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Not dissimilar to being a member of this forum then? Correct, but the difference being that this forum doesn't alienate me towards other forums and also provides useful information totally relevant to keeping a large piece of metal in my driveway running smoothly...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I thought you were all Scotch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Correct, but the difference being that this forum doesn't alienate me towards other forums.... You have obviously never met Martin F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I thought you were all Scotch? Scotch is a drink CJ... I'm half Scottish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 My 2ps worth: As an occasional viewer of major sporting events, I am drawn to it out of curiousity, support, and 'if you can't beat 'em join 'em', but watching the England games on tv would be helped enormously by having 'neutral' or maybe foreign commentators (obviously in 'English', doh!), like the refereeing staff have to be. At least that way it wouldn't feel too biased towards England and have too many tedious stats about 1966, and such like. Thank goodness for the mute button, or BBC audio choice on Sky! I almost have to switch channels for the frustration and boredom. Give the other teams a chance too. Good play is good play, regardless of nationality. No other sporting events seem to have such biased commentating. I can totally understand other UK nations not supporting England cos it always seems our natural birth-right to win the world cup. I would hope we go all the way, if we're good enough, but if we do win it will only start another 40 years of 'when we won the world cup in '06'. I don't think I could cope with that! I personally would support any of the teams that play well, fair and entertain, a bit like Brazil can on occasion. Obviously not at the expense of seeing England go out, but if any of the other UK nations went through to the final I'd be right behind them in support. And anyway its a great excuse for a huge world party! There I said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Scotch is a drink CJ... Is it? Well I be blowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Invented in England, perfected in brazil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Invented in England, perfected in brazil Destroyed in Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivingTheDream Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Nope I wouldnt support another UK nation. Never. Surely it would be like me being a Newcastle fan wishing Sunderland do well if they were in Europe and Newcastle were not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIJ8631 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Are you one of those bitter jealous scottish twats I was talking about then? That hate all the English and England. I dont HATE any English person, after all i've been very happily married to a Scouser for the last 20 years and my best man was from Manchester and many of my best mates are English. However wahat us Scots do object to is the ARROGANT , POMPOUS and PATRONISING type of English person that does exist. (And also the type that gets ABUSIVE because no one else wishes to support HIS team) After listening to this debate on radio programmes over the last month or so, NO ONE has been able to answer for me satisfactorarily why any Scot SHOULD support an English team !! After all we are different countries -NOT A REGION OF ENGLAND. Using your own line of thought - that when England get Knocked out in the next round, you will then change your alliances and then start to support the neighbour still left in the competion - ie FRANCE - allez france Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Support France? God, no! I'd support a UK or Irish team if England were not in it - but that's as far as I'd go. TBH, most of us only supported Ireland in USA94 because it gave us an interest in the competition and gave you an excuse to go to the pub to watch the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Destroyed in Wales LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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