Ian C Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 "What's the steering arm doing there?!" is probably most pertinent as that's the most likely thing to get in the way -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Yep, it's the steering column which is the main difference - the main issue will be the location of the wastegate which hangs under the assembly. Also it's dumptube (if your running vent to atmo). With a cast one it should be close enough to the side of the engine for it to clear, photos would help though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 the us dollar rate is very good at moment on xe.com i know when you do a bank wire transfer you dont get best rates. but looks like a time to buy a kit. i want a bl kit with t72 gtr and also got another smaller garret to order too. just hope they the same flange on turbos. sure i have read on supra forums they are ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Peter Sharp is in a good position to get detailed engine bay pics, his car has no engine in it! Steering column, brake servo, brake master cylinder, heat issuses with BMC fluid reservoir (plastic), clutch master cylinder. Consider all those as potential gotchas. The downpipe they supply may be a problem if the manifold and "big bits" aren't. The only way to be sure is to actually try one on a RHD car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 OK thanks for replies., I'll get in touch with Peter. Jeff has been following all this, by the way, but he can't post - looks like his account has been deactivated or something + is waiting for mods. However, he's e-mailed me this, so I'll post it: "how about this question: what other RHD guys over there have aftermarket turbo kits? and which ones? has anybody run a "directed engineering" or "phr street" kit? we all use the same cast manifold, and our midpipe is made to end up in the same spot as the stock turbos, so if it doesn't fit, its got to be *real* close..." I know Paul Whiffin has a PHR kit and he posted on supraforums shortly after he bought it that there were no real problems. But I think he had Stage 1 which is a tubular header. Gaz Walker had a directed engineering kit, but I don't think he fitted it in the end. Forgive my ignorance, but the tubular header looks to take up so much more space than the cast one that I would have thought that if the tubulr can fit, then the cast could do so more easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I spoke to Leon about the small single setup he does and he said it was working excellently on an auto Supra it was not arms and legs either so maybe worth giving him a call. Could save you alot of hassle. HTH Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Darren I spoke to Leon about the small single setup he does and he said it was working excellently on an auto Supra it was not arms and legs either so maybe worth giving him a call. Could save you alot of hassle. HTH Darren That will be the Boostlogic , Cliff doesnt want a tubular manifold for some reason !!!!! Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 It's not so much the space the kit occupies in the bay, but exactly where pipes, turbo and wastegate et al end up. I have to assume the kit was designed around a LHD car and that the makers were not envisaging it being fitted to a RHD car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by dude That will be the Boostlogic , Cliff doesnt want a tubular manifold for some reason !!!!! Dude:flame Dev I think it's for a very GOOD reason. On a road car the cast manifold should be a lot more durable. Name any production road turbo car with a tubular manifold * Yet there are dozens of N/A ones with tubular manifolds. Get someone to lob a turbo at you to catch, with a big wastegate attached. Heavy isn't it? That whole mess has to hang off a set of pipes often cherry red for tens of thousands of miles. They get the hump and show it by cracking. Show me an aftermarket turbo kit with tube headers AND proper support bracketry for the turbo and wastegate, I haven't seen a single one. They just "hang in there". Not good at all. * 944 turbo. Price up the exhaust manifold. You'll cringe. It's complex, with expansion joints, made of trick material, and the ONLY reason they didn't go cast is the 944 was never designed with a turbo in mind and its placement was incredibly difficult because the engine is canted over a huge amount. The turbo NEEDED tube headers as it is a long way from the ports, purely as a function of difficult packaging constraints. They crack.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Chris Wilson I think it's for a very GOOD reason. On a road car the cast manifold should be a lot more durable. Name any production road turbo car with a tubular manifold * Yet there are dozens of N/A ones with tubular manifolds. Get someone to lob a turbo at you to catch, with a big wastegate attached. Heavy isn't it? That whole mess has to hang off a set of pipes often cherry red for tens of thousands of miles. They get the hump and show it by cracking. Show me an aftermarket turbo kit with tube headers AND proper support bracketry for the turbo and wastegate, I haven't seen a single one. They just "hang in there". Not good at all. * 944 turbo. Price up the exhaust manifold. You'll cringe. It's complex, with expansion joints, made of trick material, and the ONLY reason they didn't go cast is the 944 was never designed with a turbo in mind and its placement was incredibly difficult because the engine is canted over a huge amount. The turbo NEEDED tube headers as it is a long way from the ports, purely as a function of difficult packaging constraints. They crack.... Agreed CW but i have a welder and they look soooo pretty Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 the stock turbos and manifold and piping must way quite a bit. when i seen PW`s single setup they looked loads of room to work on car. the smaller garret turbo im getting weighs 32 pounds. seems quite heavy. the stock turbos look like a very heavy lump. seems a few going or looking into single turbo route. the tubular manifold looks good. you could always get a cast manifold they are only $495 + shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I'd like to see a photo taken of the cylinder head side of the manifold showing how the runners are cast in, can you get one? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Chris Wilson I'd like to see a photo taken of the cylinder head side of the manifold showing how the runners are cast in, can you get one? Thanks. I'll ask (you did mean 'my' kit, right?) In answer to your earlier question, I can only agree that presumably the kit was designed for LHD..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Originally posted by Tannhauser I'll ask (you did mean 'my' kit, right?) In answer to your earlier question, I can only agree that presumably the kit was designed for LHD..... Yep, "your" kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Cliff mine is an SP manifold, which is tubular. PW's is a PHR tubular I believe. These are copies of the HKS one but in 321 stainless. The HKS T04r kits fit fine as do the GReddy T78/88. The Boost Logic is a copy of the GReddy manifold. The only DE kit I know of in the UK isn't on the car. Gaz has it. Maybe it could be borrowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2JZfan Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Greetings from the US! This is Jeff from Induction... first off let me say that i used to have an account on here (JeffB) that seems to be locked and I haven't been able to get a response from any of the admins about unlocking it... so, i re-registered... hopefully this does not upset the authorities! anyway, Chris, I only have 1 photo of the rear of the manifold, and its not a very good one... this was the original prototype for the kit that i built for my own car: http://members.cox.net/induction/manifold-back.jpg i can tell you is that the manifold is a true "log" style... it doesn't have individually cast runners in any way... the one thing that is nice about its internal design is how the center floor (directly beneath the T04 flange) ramps upward from each side to direct the gases up and out vs. ramming them into each other... the kit was definitely designed around a LHD car... however it was designed to have roughly the same "footprint" as the stock turbo system... and as far as i can tell both the LHD and RHD MKIVs have identical turbo systems (dimensionally)... the real missing piece of the puzzle is the path that the steering shaft takes after entering the engine bay via the firewall... Cliff was kind enough to send me a few pictures that actually show the entry point, however the entire motor, exhaust, rack and pinion and lower steering shaft are removed so i can't see where exactly those components would be... the ideal photo would be a car with everything intact except the turbos... I really appreciate the interest in the kit, but I would much rather not sell any kits than to have people receive them and have troubles... if anyone has any photos to help shed some light on this, please post them or email them to me... i will also try to take some close-ups of the kit installed on my car... perhaps then one of you could take a look at your own car and try to ascertain if there would be any issues... thanks! Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Hi Jeff. The kit certainly seems to offer excellent value for money. On the site you quote figures that a car made with the 67 GTQ. I assume this was Andi's old set up using a DE manifold. Do you know how much the car makes now he has switched to the SP tubular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Only have 2 photos that may help a bit Jeff , they are not brilliant as i wasnt trying to photograph the position of the steering gear Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Turbos off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by Terry S The only DE kit I know of in the UK isn't on the car. Gaz has it. Maybe it could be borrowed? Sure, maybe someone wants to buy it also Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Morning Jeff! Thanks for the photo, it is exactly what i wanted to see. A few questions if I may? When you say that you enlarged the wastegate porting and used the HKS gate, did you have to weld a new flange onto the casting, or did you just die grind out an existing flange? Is the HKS w/gate a proprietary flange fitment, or will other wastegates fit, do you know? Finally, do you know if the manifold will bolt straight up to a 1JZ-GTE engine, the 2.5 version fitted to late J-Spec MKIII Supras and Soarer 2.5 TT's? Thanks, good to have you on the board. I believe Gaz Walker has your manifold here, or one identical to it. Suggestion. There appear to be a few potential UK buyers, but this RHD thing is the bugbear. You could risk shipping a kit FOC to someone who pays a refundable cost, but what about bunging Gaz some money to allow his kit to be tried on a UK car? It might make good business sense, and would perhaps alleviate any qualms Gaz might quite rightly have of his kit being trial fitted, but not purchased? I am sure, like yourself, he is not running a philanthropic society Hope it works out, I don't like tube headers on road car turbo systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Chris, Gaz's is a DE one which is very similar but uses a smaller wastegate ( Tial I think). It will serve a purpose but it would be nice to have Jeffs kit with the HKS wastegate. Jeff, I know it's a risk but shipping one for test purposes would be a good idea. The cost of your kit makes it a very viable alternative to hybrids, which are very popular over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 Jeff said that a kit had already been ordered from the UK. I don't know if it was for a supe but I think it was a recently. Don't know if it's anyone on here or not. But perhaps Jeff could ask the owner if he would be willing to post relevant info here - or at least communicate it to us - about how the fitment goes. Trouble is, it might be a l-o-n-g wait if they also have to buy fuelling etc. Cliff Edited to make better sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Hopefully not too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 Well, there's an elegant solution then, for me at least. Wez is the noble pioneer and I'll try to stay patient till he has checked his out. Regards, Cliff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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