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OK, this could be a long post, so bear with me. I’m interested in any opinions on a good choice of single turbo.

 

I’m 90% certain I’m going to order a single turbo kit with a cast manifold. I know cast manifold will restrict power, but I’m interested in its reputation as a faster spooling alternative to a tubular header, claims of greater durability, and less problem with it radiating heat. The kit comes with a Precision turbo (Garrett based)

 

Fuelling will be by 650s and uprated pump(s), an e-manage to control it is on the way, I also have water injection, FMIC, decat + exhaust. It’s an auto!!

 

My goals are to have a to gain more power than hybrids, though not necessarily absurdly more, whilst retaining driveability. Ideally spool should be no worse than hybrids.

 

The supplier of the kit gave me the following recommendation:

 

 

"for those goals i would say that the SC61GT would be ideal... its got a

brand-new Garrett "GT" 61mm compressor wheel that spools very quickly and

yet offers lots of performance potential... we've seen guys with 2.0L

mitsubishi's that are making 600rwhp with this turbo... and yet, on a supra

it will build 6-7psi of boost by around 2750 and it will make full boost by

about 3400rpms... 475rwhp at about 18-19psi should be no problem at all on a

completely stock car - with the ability to tune (e-manage), an FMIC, and

possibly cams, you should be in great shape... i wouldn't be surprised to

see 520whp in the 20psi range... i hate to make predictions since there are

so many variables involved, and the tuning and gas are so critical, but you

definitely have the makings of a great combination"

 

What do peeps make of this? I’m mindful of lots of advice on here not to go too big, especially with an auto. What would be REALLY helpful is if someone could look here http://www.precisionte.com/sportcompact.php at the different turbos made by PTE and tell me if they think there are any better alternatives. It has loads of wheel sizes etc, but I dont know enough about turbos to be able to interpret the info.

 

Any advice much appreciated

 

Cliff

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Originally posted by ad500

Have a look at the Induction Motorsport kit, has a cast manifold.

 

http://www.inductionmotorsports.com/index.html?manifold.html

 

In the process of doing the same, not sure until i drive charlies to see how the power comes in for daily driving though.

 

That's the one I'm thinking of and my quote is from Jeff at Inductionmotorsports. Is Charlie on the BBS??? Let me know what you think of it after you've had a drive!

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Charlie hasn't got this kit but a similar set up based around an Sp64 turbo. leon installed it a little while ago and is trying to sort out a drive so i can see whether i could live with it day in day out.

 

He assures me that its a great daily driver, but we'll see. i don't know when your planning this but if i get to drive it beforehand ill post my thoughts.

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im getting the boost logic kit too. looks sexy with sterling silver coated pipes.

have wrote to boostlogic. had a reply back off him about shipping costs, just did not want to get the turbo that comes with kit. wanted a t72 gtr turbo for mine, its a new wheel design. just asked him for a bit of spec of turbo like spool and power ratings, not got back to me yet. also wanting payment details for bankers draft.

 

good to see a few other supras going for more power.

 

what turbos u going for john. to the thread starter is the cast manifold like the one on supra forums like a short stubby type. was reading a guy on supraforums has that and is making 700bhp on that manifold.

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Cliff; if you're staying with the standard autobox and stall speed I would go as small as possible, ie a 58 or 61 as you suggest. I don't know what the stall rate is as standard but even with a 63mm turbo I've heard people whinge about really, really sluggish takeoffs. When you're talking about horsepower numbers with the american vendors ask them about the figures for "18psi on pump gas", because they will give you the figures for 30psi on C16 to make the turbo sound good :D This will be a more realistic figure for when you're running in "street trim". If you do put a high stall convertor in there then it will leap off the line, even with a big turbo; but then you have to think about whether the autobox will be overwhelmed or not. Leon has been through a fair few autoboxes so his input would be valuable.

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I'm looking into a single using a cast manifold too. Having spoken to ChrisW at some length he's certain that this is the way to go for what *I* want to use the car for. Blasting up the drag strip is fine with a tubular, and you can let the magazines take pictures of your shiny engine afterwards, but if you want to belt it across Europe at a sustained high speed for any duration of time then the tubular isn't going to be able to cope with the abuse and will eventually fail. Proper Heat shielding is also crucial and I'm prepared to spend the extra on a MOTEC because I only want it mapped once, don't want to mess around with it once it's done. Looks like we may be after the same thing Tannhauser....

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Originally posted by Nick

I'm prepared to spend the extra on a MOTEC because I only want it mapped once, don't want to mess around with it once it's done. Looks like we may be after the same thing Tannhauser....

 

Nick, this doesn't make sense to me...how can mapping a Motec once be any difference to mapping, say, an Autronic, AEM, or fiddling around with various HKS add ons, only once? You just want to pay extra? :D

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Guest Terry S

Nick need VVTi control Paul ( Autronic are bringing one out in a few Months) hence Motec.

 

Monkey, PM me about your kit. BTW, the GTR wheel is old news now.

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Originally posted by ad500

Have a look at the Induction Motorsport kit, has a cast manifold.

 

http://www.inductionmotorsports.com/index.html?manifold.html

 

In the process of doing the same, not sure until i drive charlies to see how the power comes in for daily driving though.

 

far from ideal runner lengths or design, but IF it fits a RHD car, and it may well NOT do this, this is the most practical none custom manifold i have seen for the JZA 80. You could do far worse than base a kit on this setup. Almost makes me wish i had a Supra, wonder if it would fit a Soarer.... :innocent:

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It does look a well thought out kit and represent good VFM.

 

As Chris said, it will be interesting to see if it fits a RHD car. All the other kits fit fine, but they are based on either HKS or GReddy manifolds, which started life as RHD kits anyway.

 

Be interested in the results though.

 

BTW I haven't heard of problems with the 321 stainless manifolds cracking. The lower grade stainless HKS ones are known for it though.

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Boostlogic ones are guaranteed for 3 years, if it cracks you get a new one. 3 years is good enough for me :thumbs:

 

Gonna make sure my heat shielding is up to scratch though - probably an insulation blanket thingy from BL.

 

-Ian

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Guest Terry S

Big C,

Boost logic use s/s flanges as well, which I believe makes their kit unique.

 

I have the manifold, & DP wrapped. The exhaust housing ceramic coated, and a BL blanket, and it still gets bloody hot. Every little helps though.

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Always wrapped them, never had a problem.

 

Think Automotive sell a nice wrap. Nice little tip, apply damp/wet otherwise you'll be itching for days ( not that you aren't already Ian:p )

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Lots and lots of useful feedback, thanks!

 

Chris

 

The RHD thing is the one thing that worries me. The maunfacturer has asked me to take photos of the turbo side of the engine bay. He doesn't know if there are issues or not. Can you give me some specific areas or problems I could alert him to? I know someone else in the UK has ordered one (don't know who) but that doesn't really help.

 

Can anyone point me to a good image of a RHD engine bay _would it need to be part disassembled ?- that might help the guy

 

Adam

 

According to the manufacturer, "we did a local car with our kit and an SC61 that hit 450rwhp on pump gas (and stock ECU and MAF) at around 19psi but the stock 90k mile clutch was slipping horribly... "

 

They posted a dyno using a bigger turbo and were at pains to point out the boost pressures (lpretty low), gas used, details of car, the fact that intercooler wasn't iced, etc, etc)

 

I'll take a look at the slightly smaller turbos, thanks.

 

Monkey

 

Yes, it's a stubby manifold. Haven't deen the suprastore one, so can't comment.

 

Nick

 

Agreed our goals sound similar. Top end power is not much good to me. I know it's kind of fighting against the supe's nature to want it to have more mid-range pull, but perhaps if mods are carefully chosen. Also the car is presently my daily driver......though maybe not forever.

 

I'm looking at boostlogic's inconel heat shield and/or blanket if necessary, but the cast manifold should radiate less heat anyway

 

Keep 'em coming, all good stuff

 

Cheers,

 

Cliff

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Guest Terry S
Originally posted by Tannhauser

but the cast manifold should radiate less heat anyway

 

Keep 'em coming, all good stuff

 

Cheers,

 

Cliff

 

Get the exhaust housing coated if it's not already. the Iconel blanket is OTT. The normal one works well enough.

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